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Originally posted by Trance-MB Agree, not only a matter of taste but also a difficult choice. I can't decide who even for me is the greatest. JMJ and Vangelis also crossed my mind though, but what does someone make the greatest?

something like quality, quantity and overall contributions and influence

Vangelis & Jean Michel Jarre. No question about it.

Mythodea Movement part III anyone?

i dont think its possible to tell, at first i think of oliver lieb but then i come to think of his narow style making only trance and techno (including weird beep-techno) and is more a elitist kinda dude. then i think of liam howlett but hes been sucking since 98 but still stuff from 93-97 is out of this world. richie hawtin has been important and really original both technicaly and music wise but i really dont like what happened to the scene beacuse of him lately (read minimal). so what am i left with? Chemical Brothers? Fatboy Slim? all this bigbeat shit? I raelly dont like most of it but its crossing genres and seems to work on everyone both technicaly and like hmm timeless?. u just made me realise i dont have any favorite producers anymore haha. well Technasia (Charles Siegling) and Secret Cinema (Jeroen Verheij) is the real shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeHx1hspglc&eurl=http://www.secretcinema.nl/site/&feature=player_embedded
i lol at his funny grooves

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Originally posted by PETRAN something like quality, quantity and overall contributions and influence

That makes things complicated, some of those are difficult to measure.
When I would make a list like you did I would have to put Pet Shop Boys in it. I think it's better not to make that list, unless some of you need a good laugh (or throw up).

Do you think Aphex Twin really should be in that list?
I would like to understand why it should.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB When I would make a list like you did I would have to put Pet Shop Boys in it. I think it's better not to make that list, unless some of you need a good laugh (or throw up). Do you think Aphex Twin really should be in that list? I would like to understand why it should.

Put your shitty taste to side and for once try to be objective. Pet Shop Boys? What the fuck did Pet Shop Boys do to earn the title of the greatest electronic musicians of all time? They weren't the first nor the best pop musicians who used electronic instruments to create music. By the time they appeared Gary Numan, Depeche Mode and New Order already made the music that PSB never came close to. PSB were just a simple pop band and nobody should take them too serious. Depeche Mode on the other hand evolved into a fantastic and very influental band which is more than relevant these days (while nobody even remembers PSB anymore). So if you want to single out one pop band that was really influental, try Depeche Mode (I think I even read one interview where Goa Gil explained that DM were one of the main influences for psy trance).

Aphex Twin on the other hand is overrated only in IDM circles. He wasn't the main force behind IDM development (Autechre were), and was much less influental to sound than some of his fanboys think. Nonetheless, he's a complete musician and he showed his talent in pretty much every genre out there. His Selected Ambient Works II is one of the most breathtaking ambient/drone albums ever, and that's pretty impressive when you realize that SAWII was the only ambient album he ever made. I mean, look at Pete Namlook, that guy releases like one album every week and he probably worked on more than 300 albums in his career, but he never made an album that came close to SAWII. And his first SAW is maybe even a bigger achievement, especially if you realize that some of the stuff on it was made way back in 1985. And don't get me even started about Polygon Window and his awesome 2007 album under The Tuss moniker (which came like a breath of fresh air to tiring IDM scene). And all these Analords released in 2005... Bottom line is, you don't have to be an IDM freak to understand what kind of impact AFX had on electronic music. He's simply the master of analogue equipment and some of the techniques he invented are being copied even today.

The main problem is, and I'll say this for a millionth time, your fucking awful taste. But what's even worse is your attitude and your desire to show that awful taste wherever you can. Your "I know it all because I'm like 40 and listening to shitty EDM since the early 90's" attitude is ridiculous and nobody is buying it. You should really restrain yourself from posting sometimes...

BTW, here's my suggestions (it's impossible to single out just one person):
early times: Kraftwerk, JMJ, Tangerine Dream, Vangelis, Stockhausen
techno: Belleville Three, Carl Craig, Kirk Degiorgio, Mad Mike, Hawtin
house: Marshall Jefferson, Farley Jackmaster, Adonis, Larry Heard
trance: Oliver Lieb, Cosmic Baby, Eye Q crew (Vath, Boutsen, Bzet...)
drum&bass: Roni Size, Goldie, LTJ Bukem
IDM: Autechre, AFX, Chris Clark
Hardcore: Lenny Dee, Marc Trauner
Ambient: Pete Namlook, Biosphere, Global Communications, CBL
Trip Hop: Massive Attack, Portishead
+ others

No one else thinks Brian Eno?

That guy has had a massive career and basically coined the term ambient, which really was the first genre of electronic music, at least original electronic music.

obviously kraftwerk, computer world alone anticipated the whole digital world of nowadays, personal computers, chatting, even privacy protection and other issues of today. and they massively influenced hiphop AND detroit techno. might be an easy choice, but the fact that they were making music almost 30 years ago about what we are doing right now (communicating via internet) speaks for itself

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No one else thinks Brian Eno? That guy has had a massive career and basically coined the term ambient, which really was the first genre of electronic music, at least original electronic music.

Brian Eno is overrated and ambient wasn't the first genre of electronic music.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby No one else thinks Brian Eno? That guy has had a massive career and basically coined the term ambient, which really was the first genre of electronic music, at least original electronic music.

The first electronic music was probably classical musicians' experiments with synthesizers, whatever "genre" you want to call that. Even before that there were tape machine pieces and musique concrete.

I love Eno and don't think he is overrated, btw.

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Originally posted by sljiva Brian Eno is overrated and ambient wasn't the first genre of electronic music.

What was then? What was the first truly electronic form of music.

I am not talking about covers of classical music or song where electronic instrumentation were only part of the arrangement.

I am hard pressed to think of anything earlier than ambient like music from the late 1960's and the 1970's.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby What was then? What was the first truly electronic form of music. I am not talking about covers of classical music or song where electronic instrumentation were only part of the arrangement. I am hard pressed to think of anything earlier than ambient like music from the late 1960's and the 1970's.

Stockhausen was doing wholly electronic stuff with synths back in the '50s. Original works too, not just "covers."

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Stockhausen was doing wholly electronic stuff with synths back in the '50s. Original works too, not just "covers."

But could his music be called electronic music, or classical music done with electronics?

I am trying to make a distinction between music that was a completely new genre and music that was just using a different technology.

I am not discrediting them, but I still think that as its own distinct genre and sound, ambient-esque works were the first.