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Originally posted by noicuc Wrong. Pure Refx Nexus is the way of the Amateur.

Is that an ancient Chinese proverb or something?

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You've opened up a giant can of shit with a can opener made of fucked.~JBroll from the Sneap forum

Well... here's my 2 cents:

It is a lot easier to pirate VSTs than it is to be oldschool enough to heist-up some hardware gear (most devious complexes are too cowardly for that anyways). Therefore, it is easier for a nobody to generate crap with fine digital information than it is for an individual who invested personal wealth into a physical instrument. VSTs are used by amateurs and ISO-marauders... most hardware is used by people who have a little more incentive to care due to the amount of physical commitment. It is mostly psychological with a monetary ceiling that turns away the most scum.

It is the same reason why FL STudio is the worst of DAWs... because it is inexpensive enough (or pirated enough), to have the worst users of any DAW.

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Hardware & software will sound equally amatuer in the hands of the uneducated - software is 'now' and 'forever' the future - how appealing would a hardware synth be without a comp these days?

Hard synths are fine! but the usage of them is like 15/20% max of the production process these days.

The bottom line > most peeps that own hardware no matter how little they use them will defend them over anything at the expense of feeling like muppets due to the cost difference.

Seriously though, if u want the best result possible you would want to have both at your disposal. There is no denying that.

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Lame thread. The premis of "VST is the method of an amatuer" is childish and plain stupid, as demonstarted by the posts earlier.

For the 100000000th time, It's all about what suits your sound, what works for you and what you like to use.

We can all quote producers that use only software or only vintage hardware or even combinations. How YOU use the tools at your disposal (whatever they are) defines the quality of what you're producing.

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Originally posted by Floyd_V The bottom line > most peeps that own hardware no matter how little they use them will defend them over anything at the expense of feeling like muppets due to the cost difference.

It sounds like you haven't owned many hardware synths. They do cost more, but if you want those particular sonic characters, you'll have to buy them. Same as with fantastic software synths - if you want their particular sonic character, you'll have to buy them.

It's not a question of better or worse. Each synth sounds different. If you want the sound of a particular Gladiator patch, you can try tweaking your Virus and get it somewhere in the ballpark, but it won't sound like the Gladiator patch. Likewise if you want an Andromeda sound, you can tweak Sylenth and get it somewhere in the ballpark, but it won't sound like an Andromeda.

You can try to justify your position to yourself, but to me it sounds like you haven't owned many hardware synths for a decent length of time. I'd find it difficult to have your level of certainty without the relevant experience.

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Originally posted by derail It's not a question of better or worse. Each synth sounds different. If you want the sound of a particular Gladiator patch, you can try tweaking your Virus and get it somewhere in the ballpark, but it won't sound like the Gladiator patch. Likewise if you want an Andromeda sound, you can tweak Sylenth and get it somewhere in the ballpark, but it won't sound like an Andromeda. You can try to justify your position to yourself, but to me it sounds like you haven't owned many hardware synths for a decent length of time. I'd find it difficult to have your level of certainty without the relevant experience.

I have owned quite a few hardware synths over the years & I prefare to concentrate on 'making music' rather than wasting time with why does synth A not sound exactly like that synth B - each instrument has its own color on that rainbow of course - but you don't require every color ie (synth) out there to make good music tho.

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Originally posted by Floyd_V each instrument has its own color on that rainbow of course - but you don't require every color ie (synth) out there to make good music tho.

No, you don't require every color. But if you really like the color of a particular synth, if it fits into your overall sound perfectly, then you get that synth. If it happens to be hardware, so be it. You don't "feel like a muppet" for spending the money, because there isn't any other way you're going to get that color for your songs.

People really need to get into the habit of asking themselves, "is this thread-worthy?" before hitting the "new thread" button.

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Originally posted by DigiNut People really need to get into the habit of asking themselves, "is this thread-worthy?" before hitting the "new thread" button.

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