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Originally posted by Subtle Its just because you are focusing on it. The more you are focusing on sounds the more your ears opens up and your brain gets more perception on sounds. But it is not because you are physically hearing things better its just the brains ability to pick up more details in sound, and distinguishing them better.

As I said earlier in the thread, I understand it's the brain improving and not the hearing, but the net result is the same; a greater sonic awareness.

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Originally posted by Domesticated The effect is not exclusive to electronic music, or indeed, music at all. I can hear ambient office noise, appliance hum, dogs barking and all kinds of noise far more clearly and precisely than I was able to a few years ago.

again, this is about awareness/consciousness

you can't say you are better than before because perhaps you had never tried. now that you have tried, you are aware of trying and aware of listening.

if i never look in a mirror, how do i know what color my eyes are?

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Originally posted by Domesticated As I said earlier in the thread, I understand it's the brain improving and not the hearing, but the net result is the same; a greater sonic awareness.

now you have changed your story. but it's not just sonic awareness, it's awareness in general. sound is everything and everything is sound. when you scratch the back of your hand, it makes a sound, if you scratch your hand a lot you will become aware of the many sounds it can make.

as i said earlier, this is about consciousness/awareness

the only reason you listen to music differently is because you become aware of the differences. as petran said, listening to some specific thing magnifies the effect.

it has to do a lot with how you perceive things imo. it's funny when i play a track that i despised months/years back and when i hear it in the present after training my ear and learning to truly appreciate music and all of the elements in a track (thank you lsd)

i remember when i used to hate electronica as a whole, being very ignorant because i couldn't stand the 4/4 kick, but somehow it grew on me and i was starting to hear what long time listeners of the genre could, not only that but being to able feel the groove and emotions and all that great plur shit nobody wants to see me write about

so yeah...all i heard was a stupid thump 4 years back, but now it's something beautiful i can barely explain in words

damn i went deep mode in this bitch for a second

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Originally posted by hundred (thank you lsd)

and thank you for mentioning lsd

hallucinogens (some more than others) are a ridiculously quick way to expand consciousness



anyways regarding musical taste:

my own tastes changing is the result of my becoming aware of other music. i listened to trance music because i was not aware of the music which i listen to now. i had no fucking clue that this stuff existed.

In this case musical awareness, definitely.

Most people will generally just hear melody and vocals in a track, they dont notice the snare drum, the hi hat pattern, the effects.
But they are there, and they would sense something was wrong if it wasnt, but they are not aware of it.

So yeah if you focus on what you are listening too, the more you are able to appreciate it, and sense of it.

And thats also why "everyone" hates EDM, they only hear the 4/4 kick.

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Originally posted by nefardec and thank you for mentioning lsd hallucinogens (some more than others) are a ridiculously quick way to expand consciousness anyways regarding musical taste:

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Originally posted by Subtle In this case musical awareness, definitely. Most people will generally just hear melody and vocals in a track, they dont notice the snare drum, the hi hat pattern, the effects. But they are there, and they would sense something was wrong if it wasnt, but they are not aware of it. So yeah if you focus on what you are listening too, the more you are able to appreciate it, and sense of it. And thats also why "everyone" hates EDM, they only hear the 4/4 kick.

solid post

When you heard the songs before maybe you were more focused on dancing, drinking, or drugs instead of focusing on the music.

Over time we learn to appreciate the music more and it's subtleties which is why (since i am younger and mostly an at home listener) i think my tastes matured so quickly.

Not very elaborate because i am not sure what i am on to...

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Originally posted by nefardec that assumes that the changes are physical. what are ideas made of? ultimately if all ideas are matter, then all matter is an idea, so what gives you the idea that it matters?

No. Matter is not some conceptual thing that can flipped like that. You couldn't etch a stone to look like a brain and put it inside someone's skull. All ideas are only a flow of free electrons across the precise architecture of a certain kind of matter in a certain condition.

If you want to be blithely reductive, everything is just energy. And if you want to think about that for so long it coalesces into a route towards a soul, be my guest.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No. Matter is not some conceptual thing that can flipped like that. You couldn't etch a stone to look like a brain and put it inside someone's skull. All ideas are only a flow of free electrons across the precise architecture of a certain kind of matter in a certain condition.

how are you so sure? can you make an idea from raw electrons? until you can do that, don't deny that you can create electrons from ideas. obviously you aren't putting a rock in a skull to make it a brain, you are thinking about the brain itself in the first place.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you want to be blithely reductive, everything is just energy. And if you want to think about that for so long it coalesces into a route towards a soul, be my guest.

i think this is exactly what science is telling us

besides all this other useful stuff for getting through the day



but ultimately, believe whatever makes you happy.

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Originally posted by nefardec how are you so sure? can you make an idea from raw material? until you can do that, don't deny that you can create material from ideas.

Ideas require matter to exist. Take a scalpel to your head and put it to the test. Matter doesn't require ideas to exist. Ergo, you cannot invert them like it's a mathematical equation.

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i think this is exactly what science is telling us

Good for you.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Ideas require matter to exist. Matter doesn't require ideas to exist.

again, how are you so certain of this?

from where have you gleaned this secret knowledge? this is the murky foundation of all physical science

my original point was not to say that matter requires ideas, but that matter IS ideas.

but like i said, whatever makes you sleep better at night



i like your attitude on climate change better

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Basically, I think anyone who commits fully to one position on this debate is being naive. I'm trying to stay in the middle ground.

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