Once again James, I have to say you are right. Some of these guys just want to argue, especially that guy, but I've always been of the belief people should go for the music. They should have some knowledge of the dj and the music besides "he's the #1 dj." I mean, I guess it's their business if they want to pay 50 bucks to stand around and act stupid, but still. I know there's no way to keep them out, but these shows should have way less people allowed in.
As far as the Opera thing, I've pretty much gone over to the hate Opera side even though I have been a defender of it. I've never been treated harshly by the staff as far as I remember. My biggest thing is the crowd. The club just attracts the worst people. I don't know who's fault it is, but they definately should not allow over selling of the tickets. There should be a set limit so everyone can move comfortably instead of just packing as many people as possible. I honestly didn't care much at all that I missed Armin. I wouldn't have wanted to deal with that. I do believe Markus, ATB and maybe Rank 1 will be my last times out for a while. I would also be up for it if any of the smaller names came to town. But as far as big names like Armin, Tiesto, PVD, I will skip. I miss the times like Above and Beyond in 07. Too bad it looks like they now attract a lot more posers too.

And Sam, with the whole Trance to House thing, you've solved the problem of dealing with big crowds, but then we're giving up the music we love.

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Originally posted by PVDfan07 And Sam, with the whole Trance to House thing, you've solved the problem of dealing with big crowds, but then we're giving up the music we love.

Indeed. Didn't mean to come off saying the music was the problem, just that the overall scene was most likely one of the first reasons I floated over.

In Sam's defense, though, if you guys were to give some of these house DJ's a chance, you might find that you enjoy them more than you'd think. I love trance, even the cheesy stuff that gets you made fun of... but I tend to enjoy house more these days, and I think the crowd/vibe has just as much to do with it as enjoying the music.

That's why we always got VIP tables at Pacha in NYC for Armin and any other "big name" DJ who came to town. With 4 people it comes to about $80 a person but ur up in the VIP with ur own table and u get a bottle of grey goose. And since events cost $40 or more, u figure ur gunna spend the other $40 on alcohol anyway so u might as well get the added breathing room too. Plus you can go back and forth from the dance floor to the VIP so you can still be with the crowd and then go take a breather. That's why smaller clubs are great, because they can pull in good talent, but they aren't the trendy cool clubs to go to so you don't get that crowd there. Unfortunately, in the US the only cities in the US where those clubs can survive is NYC, Miami, and LA.

House music is for puffs.... i am more into speedcore and terror.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

Friday April 24th - Evolve w/ Kaskade @ The Mark
Friday May 29th - Evolve w/ Nic Fanciulli @ The Mark
Friday June 12th - Evolve w/ Lee Burridge @ The Mark
Friday June 19th - Evolve w/ Kazell @ The Mark

I've actually seen all 4 of these guys...Kaskade and Kazell were fun. But I did not get into Nic's or Lee's set.

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar and I think the crowd/vibe has just as much to do with it as enjoying the music.

Seriously. It's completely different if you go to the right places! The music becomes an acquired taste. And though that may seem a little forceful, who cares when you're having fun in the end?


edit: Still have to be in a certain mood for Lee.

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Originally posted by iammesol Seriously. It's completely different if you go to the right places! The music becomes an acquired taste. And though that may seem a little forceful, who cares when you're having fun in the end? edit: Still have to be in a certain mood for Lee.

... and if I can start to really dig d&b cause I meet some awesome, laid back folks at those shows... easing into house from trance ought to be a breeze

D&B is fun as hell

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Originally posted by trancension D&B is fun as hell

I'd have to agree... but when my boyfriend drug me out to the first few shows, I was like "WTF is THIS shit?!" It took a few outings for me to get into it

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Originally posted by trancension D&B is fun as hell

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On OOKA-OOKA ME NACHOS ME PRESS KEYS ON COMPUTER GOOD

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Originally posted by Caution_BiPolar In Sam's defense, though, if you guys were to give some of these house DJ's a chance, you might find that you enjoy them more than you'd think. I love trance, even the cheesy stuff that gets you made fun of... but I tend to enjoy house more these days, and I think the crowd/vibe has just as much to do with it as enjoying the music.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for listening to new music. I actually do like some of the other genres. I guess what I was saying is I don't want to give up trance altogether. I'll probably try to get out and check out a couple of the upcoming shows at the Mark.