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Originally posted by Magnetonium Dam. I didn't think about that - very good point indeed. Our system is partly to blame, for sure. We give in too much, and immigrants [of certain origins, as Jerz said] will demand more.

However I have several friends that work in the US Immigration service that have also stated off the record that about 50% of Muslim immigrants have this complex that they are better than anyone else and that they have this "holier than thou" attitude.....that they act as if they are doing the host country a favor.... oh wait... I know one of those types here on TA

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Problem is, I'm within the parameters of the law, yours is a wish.

Speaking of Laws, the IDF has broken several international ones.

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It is just disgusting how they will never accountable for their crimes.
Thats ok though lets not worry about them too much, Iran is clearly the bigger problem here.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer It is just disgusting how they will never accountable for their crimes. Thats ok though lets not worry about them too much, Iran is clearly the bigger problem here.

Iran is absolutely not involved here, on this thread. ^^^ That kind of attitude has drifted me towards disillusionment of current Iranian affairs. For a long time I thought the Americans and Israel were despicable evils, and it took the economic downturn for me to realize that the situation is much more complicated. And besides, with all the nonsense around my life, too. Too much paranoia from some of the people I know personally (outside of internet) with whom I had to severe contact. They were literally pressuring me to join them in anti-Israeli discussions and opinions, I felt very uncomfortable and saw the bias (with some extremes of opinion that I couldn't stomach any further).

I am ready to support Palestinian struggle in a reasonable discussion, but not when Hamas is called angels and when Israelis are called Nazi fascists. Hope you're catching my drift.

On the other hand, I have a good friend named Farhad who was born in Tehran but is a Canadian citizen now, but he is totally Canadian and refuses to associate himself with the ... current regime/system of Iran.

Not that I am hinting towards anything. He just wants to a normal, productive member of Canadian society. He is proud to be Iranian at the same time though. But you won't see him at the protest rallies in support of Israel or Iran. He supports what is best for Canada, and doesn't want to align with controversial political situations like Middle East where both parties have dirty hands. Very smart guy. He has no interest in the politics of the Middle East, but on the other hand, is more interested in the issues in Africa, Europe, Americas.

A person with phenomenal character.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Iran is absolutely not involved here, on this thread. ^^^ That kind of attitude has drifted me towards disillusionment of current Iranian affairs. For a long time I thought the Americans and Israel were despicable evils, and it took the economic downturn for me to realize that the situation is much more complicated. And besides, with all the nonsense around my life, too. Too much paranoia from some of the people I know personally (outside of internet) with whom I had to severe contact. They were literally pressuring me to join them in anti-Israeli discussions and opinions, I felt very uncomfortable and saw the bias (with some extremes of opinion that I couldn't stomach any further). I am ready to support Palestinian struggle in a reasonable discussion, but not when Hamas is called angels and when Israelis are called Nazi fascists. Hope you're catching my drift. On the other hand, I have a good friend named Farhad who was born in Tehran but is a Canadian citizen now, but he is totally Canadian and refuses to associate himself with the ... current regime/system of Iran. Not that I am hinting towards anything. He just wants to a normal, productive member of Canadian society. He is proud to be Iranian at the same time though. But you won't see him at the protest rallies in support of Israel or Iran. He supports what is best for Canada, and doesn't want to align with controversial political situations like Middle East where both parties have dirty hands. Very smart guy. He has no interest in the politics of the Middle East, but on the other hand, is more interested in the issues in Africa, Europe, Americas. A person with phenomenal character.

In my mind, being interested in the middle east isn't the relevant issue. What's important in my mind is the ability to articulate a logical position; and to listen to, respect, and understand the position of someone with whom that person is civily debating. He could be keenly interested in any topic, as long as he can support his position and respects my position. That is the main reason i can't support protests. For the most part, respect is easily lost in protests.

I'm not even going to comment on the original article, as it's a lame distraction in the first place will ill intentions in the first place... which you should hopefully be able to figure out.

Interesting... and a lot of unexpected bigoted comments here too. By quite a few people I must add, and almost no one being called out on it either... which is the more unsettling part. You guys know who you are... on some level anyways and I have no interest in internet forum drama with dickwads I'd never associate with in person, so I don't expect me to respond and respond to this post at your own risk of feebly projecting more about yourselves... What I challenge you guys to think about is... if some non-white person who has never been to America or any western country for that matter in their life, starts generalizing about all white people based on nut cases who shoot up schools, co-workers, 'stereo-typical' trailer trash stories of "white trash" domestic violence or incest, "christian" fundamentalists etc etc... and generalized all (or a majority of) white people to be that way, I'm pretty sure you'd think that person was a fucking bigot and racist piece of shit. Keep that in mind next time you read an article or see a new story in the media about "honor" killings or some other bullshit that in your minds for some odd reason must apply to an entire people, religion and / or culture. The only person it speaks volumes about is yourself, not anyone else.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not even going to comment on the original article, as it's a lame distraction in the first place will ill intentions in the first place... which you should hopefully be able to figure out. Interesting... and a lot of unexpected bigoted comments here too. By quite a few people I must add, and almost no one being called out on it either... which is the more unsettling part.

What's really unsettling is that Arab group in Canada isn't being expelled.

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... What I challenge you guys to think about is... if some non-white person who has never been to America or any western country for that matter in their life, starts generalizing about all white people based on nut cases who shoot up schools, co-workers, 'stereo-typical' trailer trash stories of "white trash" domestic violence or incest, "christian" fundamentalists etc etc... and generalized all (or a majority of) white people to be that way, I'm pretty sure you'd think that person was a fucking bigot and racist piece of shit.

LOL are you talking about MEXICANS? I hang out with them all the time and we make fun of white people together. Now that's COMPLETELY different than a terrorist-loving ARAB group blaming the JEWS (again) because Canada cut their funds. You really should visit LA sometime. White people are awful here and all the minorities make fun of them.

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Keep that in mind next time you read an article or see a new story in the media about "honor" killings or some other bullshit that in your minds for some odd reason must apply to an entire people, religion and / or culture. The only person it speaks volumes about is yourself, not anyone else.

From some reason, it appears that honor killings almost always apply to MUSLIMS, and crazy people running into Jewish centers screaming "I hate the Jews" and shooting people almost always apply to MUSLIMS. So don't think that anyone is supposed to say "hmmmm I wonder what kind of person kills his daughter for not wearing her headband and flirting with a someone not in the same sect." Here's a clue: It's Muslims that do this. What's complete bullshit is because you never denounce these things, but rather bitch and complain that "your people" are getting negative press attention because some of them are idiots.

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Too bad Muslims and Jews are both going to Hell.

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and i bet you people still will be trying to kill each other.......




oh i better but this ..... don't need no mess with all you poor deluded people that are not doing anything but holding up man kind's progress. oh yeah.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I'm not even going to comment on the original article, as it's a lame distraction in the first place will ill intentions in the first place... which you should hopefully be able to figure out. Interesting... and a lot of unexpected bigoted comments here too. By quite a few people I must add, and almost no one being called out on it either... which is the more unsettling part. You guys know who you are... on some level anyways and I have no interest in internet forum drama with dickwads I'd never associate with in person, so I don't expect me to respond and respond to this post at your own risk of feebly projecting more about yourselves... What I challenge you guys to think about is... if some non-white person who has never been to America or any western country for that matter in their life, starts generalizing about all white people based on nut cases who shoot up schools, co-workers, 'stereo-typical' trailer trash stories of "white trash" domestic violence or incest, "christian" fundamentalists etc etc... and generalized all (or a majority of) white people to be that way, I'm pretty sure you'd think that person was a fucking bigot and racist piece of shit. Keep that in mind next time you read an article or see a new story in the media about "honor" killings or some other bullshit that in your minds for some odd reason must apply to an entire people, religion and / or culture. The only person it speaks volumes about is yourself, not anyone else.

Never said white people are better than others. Would be nice if you could pick out something I said where I perhaps went out of my way

How dare you talk about our decadent Western way of life? Haven't you spent a month or two in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan, etc - they teach their kids how evil, decadent, immoral, the West is! In Egypt alone majority of men ADMIT to regular SEXUAL HARRASSMENT of women, with regular attacks and rapes of women there ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7936071.stm ). But their system is just PERFECT ... yeah, abusing and killing women is allowed, children can go to jail in some countries, Sharia law is proper, and so on. But its their land, they are allowed to do whatever they want - I am not telling them to change it all. Then some of these people immigrate to Canada and want the same allowed here? I categorically oppose such plans.

Where I was born and lived during my childhood in Russia - white people are extremely racist and xenophobic and can at times act just as bad as Muslim fundamentalist sympathizers. In effect, I sometimes compare the Russian neo-fascists to Islamic fundamentalists because they behave in similar ways. There I've seen and heard of pogroms, attacks on Jews, foreigners (Asians), discrimination, violence, nationalist approaches ranging from politics to jobs. Except that there are many more Islamic fundamentalists ... and their sympathizers.

These people are very proud, more proud than most Russian nationalists I've known. Some of them would be willing to kill their own sisters (to protect family honour as in Jordan - where two dozen women are viciously killed every year by their OWN families, and receive half of a setence that a normal murder would be punishable for) and also sacrifice their own lives in questionable ways for the sake of religion and pride. Then some of these peoples immigrate to Canada and support those ways, openly, call Israel evil and praising the terrorist Hezbollah and their associates? How dare they! Those hypocrites!

This is not a discussion of Christianity vs. Islam because everyone knows that some prominent Catholic churches are well known for child and women molestations / sexual exploitation.

This is about religious "superiority" that is trying to claim dominion and interfering in threatening our system.

Locally - nearly 50% of Ontarians are Christian Catholics but they don't have the slightest impact or effect on the lives of ordinary citizens like me, which is why I like and support them.

I went to a Catholic high school for a year and I am not even a Catholic (I wasn't required to be a Catholic to attend, for that matter!) - it was a normal school just like any other with an exception for uniforms and extended curriculum to allow devout Catholics to take French and their specific studies as additional classes. And it was good, overall. I wasn't converted, was not pressured to do any of their religious stuff.

Islamic schools in Canada are different. Not that I am saying those things are bad. They are just very different from our system. I personally don't understand why they immigrate to countries like Canada if they wish to continue living the exactly the same way as in their home countries - obviously they immigrated in search of a "better life" - what exactly does that mean? Shaolin, can you explain that to me?

Shaolin, has it occured to you that some of these people don't want to integrate into our society? Islamazation of Europe is ongoing and those people are demanding extra rights and privileges.

Pat Condell said it best (though I thought that FITNA went too far, and only helps the Islamic radicals cause):

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Shaolin, has it occured to you that some of these people don't want to integrate into our society? Islamazation of Europe is ongoing and those people are demanding extra rights and privileges.

One only has to go as far back as this past fall to see what's going on...

Islamic sharia courts in Britian 'Legally binding' - Sept.2008

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Look at it this way - in just less than 50 years, Islamic population of Europe went up from a few thousands to today's number of OVER 52 MILLION STRONG. Thats about an entire country of United Kingdom for Lord's sake.

What will be in another 50 years? A fool can only sit and hope that there will be no changes associated with this growing influence - and you know, politicians will exploit this and give the sharia law on a platter to please their voters just for the sake of getting into power. As happened in Britain and elsewhere - big thanks to the Labour Party! Politicians will give it to them, no doubt about it. They will go as close as selling the country to Saudis for the sake of winning elections!

Anything less will be branded as discrimation against the "oppressed" Muslims. If you would try to prevent legislation passing to please them, it will be viewed as xenophobic and racist. Dam, Europe is fucked.

Fucking politicians.

EDIT: As much as I wish and hope that these people will integrate and become German, Dutch, English, Swede, etc. in their full right, something tells me I am just dreaming. No, I am NOT being racist. Its just obvious that even though some Muslims have integrated into their new societies and embraced them, a significant portion didn't. And they won't. I'd rather not discuss why, because I don't think I know it well myself. Why so many people of other cultures integrate, and these don't. My brother even refuses to speak Russian for Lord's sake! ... well, you decide for yourself. Me discussing those reasons would constitute to outright racism, wouldn't it?

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