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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Cheers pal. I just really find the work shit tbh, and worse still I feel as though I don't know anything on the grand scale, I mean like you spend hour upon hours developing some system and are well happy with it. Then you look at something else and are like fuck... how they do that?! I don't want to be one of those guys who just eats sleeps and breathe coding. That just isn't me, I cant sit in front of a pc for 18 hours a day. I get certified as a Microsoft Professional at the end of my course for Managing and Maintaining a Network in Windows Server 2003 environment, and yet I still cant help people when Windows fucking Vista wont work with their wireless router. I used to think teaching was a shit idea, but now it looks like the easier option tbh, I don't wanna live my job. Did anyone else feel like this post grad?

I never went to school for this, infact I failed high school because all I did was sit around and code random stuff at home...

I think it depends on the mindset of the person.

For example, I worked 3 years in a small firm, I loved it at first, but then it got horribly boring and frustrating. It felt like the company was going no where and in turn myself wasn't going anywhere.

Now that I am out of that position, even though it sucked ass... I still want to go back into the same general field. This time not so much as low level coding but more so from an over all architectural/business standpoint. Its still going to be a lot of the same work though and I don't mind that.

Its not so much of loving to code as it is something you are good at and you like the field in general. I like problem solving and designing systems and getting something out and having people use. There really isn't a better feeling than knowing your work is helping a person or organization better reach their goals.

So if you don't really feel like this is for you then maybe you made a mistake in taking it in school. I have seen lots of people that go into school with a mild to no interest in CS or anything related to IT and then come out of it with a degree and still not be interested.

People like that are worthless... I don't give a fuck if you went to the best school, if your heart and mind isnt in the field then what good are you to a company or to your clients? You just end up being a tool with a piece of paper and no practical knowledge.

It's like music I think, it helps if you start young and really enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I never went to school for this, infact I failed high school because all I did was sit around and code random stuff at home... I think it depends on the mindset of the person. For example, I worked 3 years in a small firm, I loved it at first, but then it got horribly boring and frustrating. It felt like the company was going no where and in turn myself wasn't going anywhere. Now that I am out of that position, even though it sucked ass... I still want to go back into the same general field. This time not so much as low level coding but more so from an over all architectural/business standpoint. Its still going to be a lot of the same work though and I don't mind that. Its not so much of loving to code as it is something you are good at and you like the field in general. I like problem solving and designing systems and getting something out and having people use. There really isn't a better feeling than knowing your work is helping a person or organization better reach their goals. So if you don't really feel like this is for you then maybe you made a mistake in taking it in school. I have seen lots of people that go into school with a mild to no interest in CS or anything related to IT and then come out of it with a degree and still not be interested. People like that are worthless... I don't give a fuck if you went to the best school, if your heart and mind isnt in the field then what good are you to a company or to your clients? You just end up being a tool with a piece of paper and no practical knowledge. It's like music I think, it helps if you start young and really enjoy it.

Whoaaaaa, calm down bro!

Thanks for your angle though.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Whoaaaaa, calm down bro! Thanks for your angle though.

I'm serious though, people like that come in and you have to train them from the ground up, and you wonder why they even went to school. They could have learned the same thing themselves in their free time.

In this field, education is one thing, but experience is a whole other.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I'm serious though, people like that come in and you have to train them from the ground up, and you wonder why they even went to school. They could have learned the same thing themselves in their free time. In this field, education is one thing, but experience is a whole other.

And from what I gather this is the same with everything. My sister is graduating with a Religious Studies degree, my mate a chemistry degree, all the same situation. You know enough to know you need to know more.

It's good you made it on your own, but the fact is you need that bit of paper to even have a chance of getting a foot in the door (I know there will be exceptions, you included) my cousin spends his life coding and in front of his pc, literally from waking up to bed, he graduated with a history degree and is doing fuck all with it. He has the IT skills but hasn't got shit all to prove it really, so he's started at the very bottom of some local firm helping some guy to use a cms to develop a shitty little e-commerce website. Had he a relevant degree behind him then no doubt he'd be able to go and do the whole thing for himself.

Yes I know you can build your own portfolio with voluntary work or helping small companies, but shit most places still wanna know what you got at A-Level before you even get an interview, so to approach a company with no degree isn't likely to fare well.

I was enquiring as to how other people felt at this stage in their life, how they found the change from education to work. Not be called out for having wasted 4 years of my life on a worthless piece of paper. I also wanted to know the learning curve, since I don't think giving up all my time for a job (regardless of what it is) is a very fulfilling life. I didn't go into this degree without any interest, I enjoy the field in general, but people change mate. And I wanted some real world opinions on an industry I may go into, which you have provided, albeit in a very harsh manner, but nonetheless I am thankful for your input.

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Nothing lasts, nothing lasts, everything is changing into something else. Nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong, everything is on track...

You know, William Blake said... uh, nothing is lost. Nothing is lost and I... I really believe that, we only move on...

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 And I wanted some real world opinions on an industry I may go into, which you have provided, albeit in a very harsh manner, but nonetheless I am thankful for your input.

Its a harsh world, and a harsh field, that is if you want to be anyone in it.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Its a harsh world, and a harsh field, that is if you want to be anyone in it.

Point taken, thanks for the enlightenment.

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Nothing lasts, nothing lasts, everything is changing into something else. Nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong, everything is on track...

You know, William Blake said... uh, nothing is lost. Nothing is lost and I... I really believe that, we only move on...

also, do not be surprised or upset if the company you work with decides to go economic, and ship your work to India to finish it up and decide to lay you off to improve net profit.

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Originally posted by LeopoldStotch also, do not be surprised or upset if the company you work with decides to go economic, and ship your work to India to finish it up and decide to lay you off to improve net profit.

Fuck, education it is then.

They can't ship education off to India!

Do you speak from personal experience? Is any job safe?

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Nothing lasts, nothing lasts, everything is changing into something else. Nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong, everything is on track...

You know, William Blake said... uh, nothing is lost. Nothing is lost and I... I really believe that, we only move on...

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Fuck, education it is then. They can't ship education off to India! Do you speak from personal experience? Is any job safe?

don't mean to scare you away from IT work. if you love it, stick with it. that's my motto.

and yes i do speak from experience. there is no such thing as a "safe job" these days. 10 years ago maybe yes. but not now.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Is any job safe?

the way things are today i think that no job that is desk bound (and particularly those jobs that are done entirely using a computer, such as coding, accounting, etc.) is safe.

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Originally posted by AnotherWay83 the way things are today i think that no job that is desk bound (and particularly those jobs that are done entirely using a computer, such as coding, accounting, etc.) is safe.

What are your reasoning's?

There used to be a saying my granddad used to say "people will always need houses" and yet the housing industry is on it's arse. I know plenty of tradesman through my part time bar job, and all of them say there are no jobs in their line of work any more. This is going across the spectrum of mechanics, electricians, brick layers, plumbers, etc.

Even superstar industries are collapsing, musicians make nothing any more. I can seriously see it going the same way for acting too, maybe not so fast, but soon you'll have fresh talent offering to work for next to nothing to get noticed so they can do commercials to get paid.

What job would you consider a safe bet? I am interested to discuss this btw, but may be coming across aggressive, lol this is not the case.

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Nothing lasts, nothing lasts, everything is changing into something else. Nothing is wrong, nothing is wrong, everything is on track...

You know, William Blake said... uh, nothing is lost. Nothing is lost and I... I really believe that, we only move on...

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 What are your reasoning's? There used to be a saying my granddad used to say "people will always need houses" and yet the housing industry is on it's arse. I know plenty of tradesman through my part time bar job, and all of them say there are no jobs in their line of work any more. This is going across the spectrum of mechanics, electricians, brick layers, plumbers, etc. Even superstar industries are collapsing, musicians make nothing any more. I can seriously see it going the same way for acting too, maybe not so fast, but soon you'll have fresh talent offering to work for next to nothing to get noticed so they can do commercials to get paid. What job would you consider a safe bet? I am interested to discuss this btw, but may be coming across aggressive, lol this is not the case.

Thats the thing, right now there really isn't anything. Every field still exists, a lot of them you can still make good money in. The problem is that no one is hiring right now.

Things like this happen. Give it 5-10 years an we will be back to where we were when this started. Probably a bit smaller, maybe a bit more regulated, but thats not a bad thing.

The blood of the workers, blue collar and white collar will continue to grease the cogs and wheels of capitalism...