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jerZ07002
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Originally posted by ********
I tend to disagree with you, I think that the Supreme court is mearly a historical encumbrence, and their initial role was simply to hear cases. The US taking on a federal mandate and becoming more formalized, is not even mandated within the constitution - in some respect its "powers" are de facto - not legal. In that respect they really are suprajuris. Decisions are only limited by other defacto elements of the people.

I think that JUSTICE - and freedom and the founding principals of america that is a world that supports american independence, and representation for american values is the foundation - and nothing whether it be other laws should interfere with JUSTICE, with the intent to serve the people as to make life more for the cause of life liberty and happiness of all.

" The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects."

"as to law and fact" note fact.

This in that respect should not limit the supreme court to be held to only see technical issues.


Also the will of the people should always be foremost, atleast in regard to the constitution

"with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make. "

Congress is actually who holds capacity to render JUDICIAL power in the US ----- the judicary is not wholely independant in the US - as such its role would be poitical not judicature. Only judicature as far as rendering impositions of "legislation" eg. rendering specific renderings of cases - that is making case specific findings. In those areas that are rendered within their sphere of hearing.

The US Judicature is actually substate - it is part of the legislative wing of government not the sovereign or state.

eg. Article I of the Constitution vests all legislative power in the Congress - has the power to make law but not enforce it.

Thus all findings of the supreme court would not hold force. - which is where the de facto element comes in.



the portions of your post that are comprehenisble are complete nonsense. you do realize i'm a lawyer, right?

Try reading Section 1 of Article 3 of the constitution, which clearly states that the judicial power is vested in the supreme court.

quote:

Article III
Section 1. The judicial power of the United States, shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The judges, both of the supreme and inferior courts, shall hold their offices during good behaviour, and shall, at stated times, receive for their services, a compensation, which shall not be diminished during their continuance in office.


Section 2. The judicial power shall extend to all cases, in law and equity, arising under this Constitution, the laws of the United States, and treaties made, or which shall be made, under their authority;--to all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls;--to all cases of admiralty and maritime jurisdiction;--to controversies to which the United States shall be a party;--to controversies between two or more states;--between a state and citizens of another state;--between citizens of different states;--between citizens of the same state claiming lands under grants of different states, and between a state, or the citizens thereof, and foreign states, citizens or subjects.


In all cases affecting ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, and those in which a state shall be party, the Supreme Court shall have original jurisdiction. In all the other cases before mentioned, the Supreme Court shall have appellate jurisdiction, both as to law and fact, with such exceptions, and under such regulations as the Congress shall make.


The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment, shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state where the said crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any state, the trial shall be at such place or places as the Congress may by law have directed.


Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.


The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

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jerZ07002
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Hey Jerz that was an excerpt from the Constitution.

Congress doesn't have the capacity to divest judicary powers, since they are only mandated Legislative powers. Not the power to divest state functions, only mitigate them.

They have no force.

(the judicial wing of the US is seen seperately from the legislative wing)

see the paradox...

the constitution is paradoxially false, there is no force of law in the US by constitutional means, only de facto.

And that enforced by the executive... at a level of state under a perpetually martial law.



you lost me, i have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. In one sentence, what's your main point?

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jerZ07002
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You are wrong, but it is de facto so thats ok.
Its maitenance of the status quo in a political game of personalities and little more.

(US history as an entity and right are two different things)

It works for you and thats all that matters.



Good luck with your practice... che ching.


you use pronouns without clearly indicating the noun to which it relates. your adjectives just sit there without clearly modifying anything. your sentences are mindnumbingly confusing. what are you talking about?

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the portions of your post that are comprehenisble are complete nonsense.


yeah, that's how ******** rolls!


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jerZ07002
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yeah, that's how ******** rolls!


I usually ignore his posts because of that little fact, but he called me out, damn foo

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Q5echo
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reading all of page 3 of this thread it's no wonder now why ******** has a rap sheet longer than my arm

hey ashley, you and this circuit court judge were made for each other. yall should get a room.



please for the love of all things sane i hope Obama doesn't nominate this woman.

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jerZ07002
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reading all of page 3 of this thread it's no wonder now why ******** has a rap sheet longer than my arm

hey ashley, you and this circuit court judge were made for each other. yall should get a room.



please for the love of all things sane i hope Obama doesn't nominate this woman.


she's right though.

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Q5echo
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she's right though.


i know, now. i just watched the entire conference in context. she was making distinctions between adjudicating in a district court determining the outcome of the individual from determining the outcome of the law as it stands against legal precedent in an appealate decision.

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Every time I pull on the bong I pray that this isn't the cone that turns me into ********. Seriously dude, what is wrong with you??


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It is utterly situationational.


werd

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Waitwaitwait.... So ******** did 9/11?


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jerZ07002
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lol (seriously)

I actually found what seemed like an improvised bong like tube with duct tape on it (could have been an iv system though) (that and a spent plastic gauge gun shell) while out for a jog in a local park.

Nothing actually I just always meet up with incredibly anal people who are 100% opposed to allowing me to free will. Also I speak my mind.

Ok here basically the story - my parents moved alot (1st mistake) while I was growing up. So up until my teenage years I never got the chance to build a solid support network of close friends and confidants. My parents were low income or middle income and I was the 4th born in my family - and the unwanted child, that my other siblings blamed for the demise of the family. This is not further enhanced by my fathers visectomy after I was born - which shortly followed his NDE (car accident that put a hole in his chest and he recalls going to heaven and being sent back down to earth for. He became very much a born again christian which allowed him to go clean, and forget his time in the Navy as a sort of bad boy (he hit an officer). Although not the end of the world in the 80's I recall the odd experience but mostly fanciful, flying in the sky spinning around and around on a feris wheel going so fast that I fell off. Each one of the places I lived at I remember only a few days of. My father also had the same name of a Texas murderer featured on America's Most wanted. None the less even though my family was very cash strapped, I went ahead with life. People that I hung around in middle school, eventually formed a longer friendship base, although I offended most if not all of them, including physical damage. Eg. threw a stick at one who was part of a group that offended me, and so said damaged his vision (where that saying it is all fun and games until someone looses an eye - comes from), playing basketball I damaged another tooth we always colided for some reason (none the less these things happen to a lot of people).

The second big strike was when I stopped going to highschool cause I was tired, and then didn't feel like going. The reason I was tired is because I was given music, and I stayed up listening to electronic music broadcasts.

Mistake 3. My parents forced me to officially leave school and start
working. This was sort of neat and zombie like at first, afterall I hadn't been paid a job that allowed me to do stuff. (mistake but not mine since I was a mindless zombie at the time)

part b. somewhere around here I got involved with student protests, my first time intentionally being involved in a political movement as a very very very minor organizer, had a chat with future local notables such as julian ichim, which wrote part of his life, and eventually paved the way to the current conservative government which wont go away.




Mistake 4. I didn't get my license. (mistake)

Mistake 5. I started spending my money on alcohol and cigarettes and partying, and other crap. (this may have been a mistake but it was fun as hell at times or atleeast entertaining)

Mistake 6. I after a really long time quit my long term job (that I had off and on part time/fulltime)for about 4 years. Cutting off my cashflow (this wasnt a mistake but I should have probably looked for another job)

Mistake 7. I stopped partying, drinking and smoking, and started NAP-STERING (this was a mistake in some ways, sigh. I should have bought the keyboard)

Mistake 8. I pondered the meaning of life and came to some conclusions (this may or may not have been a mistake --- but what else was I suppose to do other than look at pron.)
.
part b. re: 2001 I had a discussion in #muslim on undernet, chating about use of planes to wage war agains the united states while people though I was osama bin laden and/or osama entered the room just after me - I told an interesting story about following the wiseman. (not really a mistake but really flukey and I did recommened information warfare NOT physical insurrection and terrorism regardless of the ideas that sprang forth from the discussion I was just trying to offer my worldview - also posting up emailing norad, financial district and the news media may have also contributed, but I wasnt expected violent confrontation mearly expressing my disatisfaction it was what I felt, not what I wanted that I was communicating) (may or may not be relevant but I took resonspibility for the attacks - as only god should.


Mistkae 9. I figured it out. (once again this is not so much my choice but it just is)
part b. I became sovreign (not my choice so much as it was ours)

around this time before or after I contacted a bunch of governments to clarify the status of peace and war relations potentially getting notice by some people. Or not.

Mistake 10. I opted to leave society by presenting myself to police stating you will hurt me. (not really a mistake BUT I probably should have just taken the long route)

Mistake 11. I agreed to never leave a building. sort of. (a mistake but not really any options)

Mistake 12. I left the building. (not really a mistake but it kept the story going)
part. b. I created my own state. (not really a mistake but no one gets it that agrees)

part c: re iraq. (dont ever argue that someone can go to war and make people wonder where the weapons went)

Mistake 13. I decided to leave again. (not really a mistake but it didnt actually occur as I intended it)

Mistake 14. I made a point of getting the pack of cigarettes when I could have just left. (but I so should have gotten them)(and maybe this was a mistake but walking a long distance is way more enjoyable with some cigarettes to puff on - at least that is what I thought at the time)

Mistake 15. I made a point of displaying my upset and dismay at the courthouse. (not really a mistake, but an inability to correctly communicate with court personnel re: police)

Mistake 16. I stated I sent correspondences that tied me into a courtcase which revolved around the head of a psychiatric department. I Called the JP a tyrant (not really a mistake but more so a value judgement that others misinterpreted)



While there is a lot more potentially mistakes, in why I am so messed up.


Sad story is. I am poor, and have been marked.

It aint me.

You give me a few million dollars Ill be as normal as a squirel chewing on a nut. The other part is Im confrontational, a lot of people think their way is right, but dont even aknowledge the other way. I dont think there is a right way or wrong way, just an intention and potential outcomes. Its all about love and provision.

It is just unfortunate society is so disorganized and private. That is really it, Im a victim and passive.

That is what is wrong.


Time goes on, but its gonna be what it is. Life is a show.

People are sheep, and they may like it that way.

I do what I feel like, and people overly anal and systemalized bound to structured routine, are bred into a different life, or choose another way.

I feel better doing it my way then the normal way.

Thats all there is to it.



WTF dude - Are you on acid when you write these posts?

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