Electrons are represented as probability densities rather than point-particles, I think.



There's lively philosophical debate about whether the representations should be taken as "true" or just useful conceptual tools:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-r...lism_in_Science

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Originally posted by nefardec i hate when people say that occam's razor tends to be completely relative to the current zeitgeist, or used in favor of anyone's argument. let me use it : i tend to think that occam's razor would rather disprove the existence of a bajillion types of mysterious and spurious subatomic particles and support the notion that we create their semblance simply by looking for them. "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." the whole of materialist science is an attempt to multiply/divide entities rather than to unify them.

"If you don't look, then you will never find."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

Using a Neitzsche quote in this instance is dirty pool, lol.

But hypothetical existance of spiritual aspects aside.. in examples such as the one that op gave of the clairvoyant's "magical" insight. Is it not safer to assume that she's just good at reading and interpreting people's behaviour in a way that we don't need to resort to clairvoyance or spirituality to understand?

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Originally posted by astroboy But hypothetical existance of spiritual aspects aside.. in examples such as the one that op gave of the clairvoyant's "magical" insight. Is it not safer to assume that she's just good at reading and interpreting people's behaviour in a way that we don't need to resort to clairvoyance or spirituality to understand?

no, that's just madness.

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Originally posted by astroboy But hypothetical existance of spiritual aspects aside.. in examples such as the one that op gave of the clairvoyant's "magical" insight. Is it not safer to assume that she's just good at reading and interpreting people's behaviour in a way that we don't need to resort to clairvoyance or spirituality to understand?

well, in some cases it's going to be pretty tough to distinguish, but there are some extraordinary documented cases.


also, let's not use the word spiritual but something more like 'extra-material' - spiritual has an unsavory taste these days. Some people use the term 'explicate' to refer to the material projection of one's consciousness of the world, and 'implicate' to refer to it in its extra-material wholeness.

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Originally posted by nefardec check out this book: "the holographic universe" by michael talbot

Will the average joe like me, who barely knows what an atom is be able to read this book? I remember a long time ago checking the description of the book and just shitting my pants with confusion.

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Originally posted by astroboy But hypothetical existance of spiritual aspects aside.. in examples such as the one that op gave of the clairvoyant's "magical" insight. Is it not safer to assume that she's just good at reading and interpreting people's behaviour in a way that we don't need to resort to clairvoyance or spirituality to understand?

well apparently this clairvoyant saw that i have panic disorder [without me being there] and also knew that my toilet seat in my bathroom is broken.

also which is quite wierd.. [i dont know the exact terminolgoy for what she did but..] both my missus and her mum sat down, and the clairvoyant said "right i need to know which one of you i am seeing... which one of you has a living room with 3 walls painted 1 colour,l and 1 wall painted a different colour?" which referred to my fiancé as my living room is painted like that... then she went no to enisgage/sense the anxiety thing [which is me] and the toilet seat thing.
im not swallowed in usually by this stuff, but to me, this sounds rather real, like something she did sense, rather than deduce from my fiancé's mannerisms or whatever

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Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z] does anyone actually believe in this?, or does anyone see a clairvoyant? reason for my asking is: my missus's mum see's one every once in a while, and tonight my misuss went with her, and the clairvoyant type lady person picked up on me having panic disorder, thruogh my missus [fuck knows how]. the lady said i need 'healing' and she would be willing to do it for free, for as many sessions as it requires, all free of charge, and guarantee's my fiancé that she can cure me. im gonna give it a shot, as this illness is an absolute nightmare to live with. I have tried meds,, hypnotherapy and stuff, but nothing has worked, so im willing to give it a shot. but has anyone else tried anything like this?

It sounds like your fiancé told her about your panic attacks and she used this information to get to you. I'd be careful because now days we have more energy sucking entities than good ones for healing.

I'd say you'd have to build up a lot of trust with this woman before allowing her to deal with the panic attacks that you have not completely cured.

You should see if she would smoke some weed with you to cure that panic attack.

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Originally posted by we_R_DNA It sounds like your fiancé told her about your panic attacks and she used this information to get to you. I'd be careful because now days we have more energy sucking entities than good ones for healing. I'd say you'd have to build up a lot of trust with this woman before allowing her to deal with the panic attacks that you have not completely cured. You should see if she would smoke some weed with you to cure that panic attack.

well from how the missus tells me, it sounds like she guessed it. and to be honest i have had 2 years of hell with this thing, ad theres no signs of getting better really.. so im willing to give it a shot.. after all the woman is offering her services free of charge regardless of how long it takes.

and also, i dont think weed is gonna help matters lol .. i think weed and many other drugs were partly to blame for this condition

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Originally posted by [N]ûk|êû[Z] well from how the missus tells me, it sounds like she guessed it. and to be honest i have had 2 years of hell with this thing, ad theres no signs of getting better really.. so im willing to give it a shot.. after all the woman is offering her services free of charge regardless of how long it takes. and also, i dont think weed is gonna help matters lol .. i think weed and many other drugs were partly to blame for this condition

Alright, well I wish you the best on finding a place of peace and solitude when it comes to dealing with panic attacks. Peace be with you brother from another mother.