Was good a few years back but might as well just close it now. It's dead.

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being an AP.net member it was great at the start don't get me wrong and i would hate to think that anyone would think i'm a big pro for being a member also.

but as stated i did agree, its dead now but generally i dont post on many forums at the moment as i have an increasing size in family here and time is not on my side! haha.

I must pull my finger out and get back into it, TA is the biggest community for dance prodcution however and it is a fact just by looking at the statistics.

SO! by the time i pull everything round it may have already gone.

yes and no... apn does have it's role in cultivating serious producers, all whom have been filtered by his/her capabilities in music production. this is essentially important to keep the forum clean and concise and not a forum with a bunch of beginners asking how to do this and that (to a certain extend). yea, i used to get rejected but because of that, i improve myself and eventually i got in. it does help in a way.

it's kinda sad to see that the no. of members getting inactive increasing. a forum with no active members fails in delivering its main objective, that is being a forum. however, apn certainly is not dead yet, it just need some changes to rise again. regardless all the weaknesses that you can spell out on apn, you can't deny the quality it carries.

A while back there was one main reason for me to join AP and no longer post on TA. At that time users on the TA forums were flaming and disrespecting each other (present company not included!) way too much to my liking.

I'm 39 years old and tho I understand the medium of internet and the different etiquette that comes with it, I'm just not gonna put up with boys young enough to be my son being rude and disrespectful to me or others. There is too much of that going round anyway.

There appeared to be less of that on APN, but nowadays not anything is going on over there...

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well why don't something get done about it? both for people here at TA and AP.net? i'm aware of people's attempts but there's much more to do i'm sure! idea's???

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Originally posted by Terry Barker idea's???

Let it die? Peoples comments everywhere have definitely led me to believe that it's 100% at fault of the "moderators". Not only do you have to apply to join, but your application never gets approved.

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Originally posted by alanzo Let it die? Peoples comments everywhere have definitely led me to believe that it's 100% at fault of the "moderators". Not only do you have to apply to join, but your application never gets approved.

Honestly I don't really see the point in trying to resurrect it. The mods didn't/don't care and while it was a decent idea to have a screened membership process (to maintain quality of content/users etc), you need to have a very well managed site to avoid turning people off.

You could really do the same thing by having an open forum (like this) with mods that just delete and ban where appropriate.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN You could really do the same thing by having an open forum (like this) with mods that just delete and ban where appropriate.

Exactly my suggestion. But that requires active moderating, not mods who log in once a fuckin' month ...

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Originally posted by alanzo Let it die? Peoples comments everywhere have definitely led me to believe that it's 100% at fault of the "moderators". Not only do you have to apply to join, but your application never gets approved.

suppose so, theres not much more we can do, with all respect you have tried, ah well...

I never even heard of AudioPioneers, but from what I'm reading here, it sounds like the system was fundamentally flawed from the beginning. Effectively they wanted to substitute active moderation for strict entry requirements, assuming that if they only picked up "quality" members then they would only get "quality" threads. Of course we all know that it isn't that simple.

I'm reminded of the Joel Spolsky essay where he explained why he chose to allow anonymous posts on his board. The rationale was that requiring any more work from contributors than was absolutely necessary would only serve to reduce the number of contributors; that fewer members would mean fewer posts, and fewer posts would mean fewer quality posts, regardless of the ratio of wheat to chaff (which would be unlikely to change anyway).

Eventually he had to change that policy due to flat-out spam, but the principle was absolutely right. Every forum needs moderators just like every publication needs editors, and outsourcing that work to the users themselves just doesn't work. As the site owner/operator, those people are doing you a favour by taking their time to contribute; expecting them to pay for the privilege is asinine.

Because AP was apparently made up of primarily TAs, my guess is that its initial success was just a typical honeymoon stage, and not because it was such a fantastic concept. People were excited about it, they'd put a lot of work into it, they wanted it to succeed, but clearly they weren't getting a lot of new blood, and you need that in order to deal with the inevitable retirement of older members who get too busy or just lose interest.

Good luck with your CPR, but I think some drastic changes would be necessary in order to resuscitate that site.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I never even heard of AudioPioneers, but from what I'm reading here, it sounds like the system was fundamentally flawed from the beginning. Effectively they wanted to substitute active moderation for strict entry requirements, assuming that if they only picked up "quality" members then they would only get "quality" threads. Of course we all know that it isn't that simple. I'm reminded of the Joel Spolsky essay where he explained why he chose to allow anonymous posts on his board. The rationale was that requiring any more work from contributors than was absolutely necessary would only serve to reduce the number of contributors; that fewer members would mean fewer posts, and fewer posts would mean fewer quality posts, regardless of the ratio of wheat to chaff (which would be unlikely to change anyway). Eventually he had to change that policy due to flat-out spam, but the principle was absolutely right. Every forum needs moderators just like every publication needs editors, and outsourcing that work to the users themselves just doesn't work. As the site owner/operator, those people are doing you a favour by taking their time to contribute; expecting them to pay for the privilege is asinine. Because AP was apparently made up of primarily TAs, my guess is that its initial success was just a typical honeymoon stage, and not because it was such a fantastic concept. People were excited about it, they'd put a lot of work into it, they wanted it to succeed, but clearly they weren't getting a lot of new blood, and you need that in order to deal with the inevitable retirement of older members who get too busy or just lose interest. Good luck with your CPR, but I think some drastic changes would be necessary in order to resuscitate that site.

There was supposed to be active moderation but it never happened. Yeah, it was most active in its "honeymoon" stage.

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