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Originally posted by Slylee whatever i hope you get kicked in the balls at soccer.

If I do its your fault and i will hold you accountable

I'm serious. I used to drink heavily every day. I drank myself into the hospital where I found out I would only keep coming back if I didn't give it up. That probably saved my life.

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i am by definition an "alocholic" that's for sure. because addiction has to do with anything that is "habitual" according to doctors/therapists. i drink wine every night.

i think the motive behind your drinking/smoking/whatever defines whether or not you have a problem, but that's just me and what do i know

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

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Originally posted by Slylee and the reason why i mentioned that is because the thread starter made it sound all serious like, "ADDICTION/RECOVERY from clubbing"

I'm just curious about reentering the club atmosphere, which I would really like to do, but haven't done since completely giving up all mind altering substances. For me, it was always about the music, but in the beginning I don't think I would have even got into the music and vibe if it wasn't for the disinhibiting effects drinking/using.

Bottom line is that there's a continuum of infrequent social drinking/using, problem drinking using, all the way to full blown addict/alcoholic. There's a million spots in-between and every individual has their own context.

Being addicted to fun and more broadly speaking, pleasure, is absolutely true. I think one of the best things to do if you have an addiction problem is reject puritannical Christian idea that all forms of pleasure are morally suspect. Instead, trade your short-range hedonist destruction for long-range pursuit of pleasure and happiness. It's hard to do if you're acutely addicted, but that's what wins out in the end for me.

i remember one time back in like 04 i think, i went to see oakenfold at club space in miami and all i did was drink redbulls that night and dance my ass off. and that was right in the middle of my cokehead/pill days too. i still knew how to enjoy myself without getting wrecked.

it all depends on how you are...everyone is different.

for me, it was all about maturing and becoming smarter/more practical. now i show up to a club (rare and i'm usually dragged there lol) and see there's a long line with some douchebag bouncers and everyone paying $20 and more to get in just so they can spend $15 on each drink and i'm like WHAT THE FUCK

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone

I didn't realize the seriousness of alcohol until I lost my own friend last year. It wasn't an isolated incident or anything. He had developed a habit to the point where he had to dial a bottle to his house and paid the guy on his knees trembling in the mornings. I met him when he was a full blown alcoholic, but he had apparently overcome his illness in the past. The school did a story on him and everything, it was really tragic to see that his triumph meant nothing. He was a really good guy, and his cynicism of the world was one that was rooted in his compassion. We would try to subtly get him off the drink, but nothing worked. We tried displacing his alcohol craving by marijuana but he wasn't into that. He got some oxy for a minor surgery and we knew he'd go to town, so we literally babysat the dude for a few days. he got away one night, and was obviously drunk as a skunk and gulped down a bunch-the rest was history.

I grew up real fast from that event, and realized that we are all potentially victims of these life altering addictions. It can be somewhat unpredictable. He was at one point a great piano player, he DJ'd and organized events, and at 6'6 was a beast on the rugby team, and a motivated student. He said that's how his issue started, from the"chug bitch chug!" jock parties. It took about 8 years from his freshmen year to pass on from alcohol.

The lancet has done probably the best report to this date on addiction, and categorized 20 different drugs. Sorry cokeheads, you come in 2nd after heroin. A little bump could turn into mainlining in no time. Lsd, mdma... not so bad afterall. Silly nancy reagan.

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Originally posted by drewfactor I'm just curious about reentering the club atmosphere, which I would really like to do, but haven't done since completely giving up all mind altering substances. For me, it was always about the music, but in the beginning I don't think I would have even got into the music and vibe if it wasn't for the disinhibiting effects drinking/using.

dude, in all seriousness, just do it for your own sake. go in, walk around the clubs, dance a little, and then leave. avoid the shot girls who walk around and literally throw alcohol at you. and if you go with friends, tell them you are the DD and won't drink.

I went to a casino for new years eve down in shreveport; about two weeks after my shitstorm happened. i walked around, played the slots, lost $40, and just kind of stood around. everyone was drinking; and it didn't bother me. what bothered me was that everyone was with other people, and i was just alone. that really sucked. so i walked out and sat in my truck and called friends back up in chicago and talked with them for a while and then went back out to the racetrack just in time to see the fireworks.

but it felt good to get out and at least attempt it. you can't let "getting on the wagon" take over your life, man. if you're scared of it, then you haven't really learned anything. sure you're sober, but you're feeling like ass at the same time, and all you're going to do is "remember the good times". which is fine , for awhile, but you gotta move on.

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Originally posted by hundred will power

that's a combonation of my dog's name and mine

i dont underestimate drinking either. i dated an alcoholic for 3 years. he got pulled over and went to jail one night because he refused a breathalizer. got a lawyer to fight it and won...it was dismissed. but then something a little worse happened a year or 2 later. he got into a horrible accident while driving wasted and killed 2 people. his trial just ended a week ago and he was found guilty on 3 felony DUI counts. he got off on the DUI manslaughter charges. anyway he's only like 32 and is a chiropractor with his own practice, etc... anyone can be a douchebag alchy no matter how perfect they may seem on the outside. he hid it well. his sentencing hearing comes up in another week. that mofo is going to do some time i'm sure of it.

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Originally posted by notelfreak man i can't believe i tried to come off as responsible in that other thread, i am so full of shit just don't tell anyone