quote:

Originally posted by Lucidity So why not just put limiters on any or all channels that you think are clipping?

Because it would sound like ass? Just speculating.

___________________
My party schedule:
2009-02-21 - DJ Attention @ I'm So Popular
2009-06-18 - DJ Annoying @ People Need To Know Where I'll Be
2012-11-32 - DJ Insufferable ɸ Or At Least the Stalkers I Complain About
2048-06-66 - Spastic & Whocares ¶ Although I'm Actually Flattered
9999-45-81 - Tweaker Gimp ☼ I Probably Won't Even Go To This But I Have To Make Sure I Fill Up All The Available Space Here

quote:

Originally posted by DigiNut Because it would sound like ass? Just speculating.

If you were spinning with a proggy like Traktor, it has a limiter on the master. If he's only clipping by a few db, I don't think it would sound like ass, maybe it would, maybe not. I'm just sayin, if it were me, and I was worried about clipping, I would put a limiter.

___________________
www.soundcloud.com/timestretcher

Well, I'm not really worried because wherever ableton starts to clip, I don't seem to be hitting it, despite the fact that I'm hitting up to 3 dB often enough.

I have read that ableton's got a high tolerance to clipping, so that might explain it...

___________________
New Mix: March 2010 Promo
Soundcloud|Facebook

quote:

Originally posted by Lucidity Well, sorry, I should have elaborated a bit more, I was referring to OP, I know it doesn't answer his question, but, I thought, for him to get the levels right, for going into his mixer or whatever, so he could get the levels he wanted, without audible clipping.(for sure, without guessing is it audible),, Whatever, if I sound like a retard just nevermind this post. (i'm sleepy)

I'm actually mixing internally in live and then going into a mixer, which controls only my master volume. Basically, I've got the master turned to -2.5 and I leave it there. The master occasionally peaks around 3-4 dB and I'm wondering if thats going to create any audible distortion.

___________________
New Mix: March 2010 Promo
Soundcloud|Facebook

quote:

Originally posted by kitphillips I'm actually mixing internally in live and then going into a mixer, which controls only my master volume. Basically, I've got the master turned to -2.5 and I leave it there. The master occasionally peaks around 3-4 dB and I'm wondering if thats going to create any audible distortion.

I don't know about ableton, but there is the possibility that there's a limiter on the master to avoid clipping. So even if the master peaks at 4 db, before it hits your soundcard the sound is limited to avoid clipping. If this is the case having it peak above 0 dB is a bad idea, because as stated elsewhere in the thread, limiting like that sounds like ass.

However I'm not an expert I'm just guessing based on my limited knowledge, so you might wanna not listen to me.

___________________
Check out Crossfade Collective
Sebastian Zander - Hotel Chaplin
Sebastian Zander - Set Two [Electro/Tech House and Trance of some sort]
Paulo Da Costa - AVGN [Prog. House](128kbps])

quote:

I'm just sayin, if it were me, and I was worried about clipping, I would put a limiter.

Why not try turning the level down rather than ruining the dynamics of your track?

quote:

Originally posted by dannib Why not try turning the level down rather than ruining the dynamics of your track?

LOL. I love how people think a limiter is the automatic cure for all their volume ills.

quote:

Originally posted by PutBoy I don't know about ableton, but there is the possibility that there's a limiter on the master to avoid clipping. So even if the master peaks at 4 db, before it hits your soundcard the sound is limited to avoid clipping. If this is the case having it peak above 0 dB is a bad idea, because as stated elsewhere in the thread, limiting like that sounds like ass. However I'm not an expert I'm just guessing based on my limited knowledge, so you might wanna not listen to me.

If Live had a built in limiter on the master I think it would be documented.

___________________
New Mix: March 2010 Promo
Soundcloud|Facebook

After testing it all out, I found that ableton's individual channels are unclippable. You can drive them however hard. The master channel will clip if you run it hard enough, but I'm not sure when it starts.

___________________
New Mix: March 2010 Promo
Soundcloud|Facebook

It clips when the sound value is over 2^15 if youre working in 16 bit

quote:

Originally posted by kitphillips If Live had a built in limiter on the master I think it would be documented.

probably. But if it peaks at above 0 dB and there is no audible clipping when he plays it through the setup, I don't know how else you would explain it.

But then, I don't know anything so I should probably sthu.

___________________
Check out Crossfade Collective
Sebastian Zander - Hotel Chaplin
Sebastian Zander - Set Two [Electro/Tech House and Trance of some sort]
Paulo Da Costa - AVGN [Prog. House](128kbps])