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Originally posted by Krypton Idiotic statement. Really...

It's not idiotic. Its true. Iran hasn't had a proper election since Khomeini.

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Let them beat each other

Reports now that the basij (secret police) have opened fire on the protestors with at least one dead:



I have a feeling that this is going to get worse before it gets better.

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TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's hardline Islamic Basij militiamen killed at least one person Monday and wounded more when their building was attacked by demonstrators protesting an election they say was stolen by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. An Iranian photographer at the scene witnessed the shooting, which came during a demonstration by tens of thousands in the capital Tehran in support of opposition candidate Mirhossein Mousavi who has appealed the election result. Shooting was heard in three districts of northern Tehran, residents said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSEVA14340720090615

Last edited by Renegade on Jun-15-2009 at 17:44

Yet Khamenei is seeming to shift toward re-examining the electoral votes... the government seems to be as confused as we are right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the shots fired were not authorized. I think Khamenei has to see the writing on the wall at this point in regards to the election results. I have a hard time believing he's willing to stick with Ahmedinejad if it would damage his own relevance.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Yet Khamenei is seeming to shift toward re-examining the electoral votes... the government seems to be as confused as we are right now. I wouldn't be surprised if the shots fired were not authorized. I think Khamenei has to see the writing on the wall at this point in regards to the election results. I have a hard time believing he's willing to stick with Ahmedinejad if it would damage his own relevance.

Yeah, it's a mess. Khamenei had to authorise Mousavi as a candidate in the first place, so I'm not sure why he would have done that if he found the prospect of a Mousavi victory so unsavoury as to necessitate gross electoral fraud. Constitutionally he has all the power, but in practice I think he's more isolated from the operation of everyday government than anyone (perhaps even himself) recognises. It's too early (and the facts too unclear - especially given the recent shutdown of communication channels in the country) to make any definitive judgements, but I'm almost tempted to suggest that this has more to do with the will of Ahmadinejad (and the security apparatus that is loyal to him) than the will of the Ayatollah. I don't think that even an Islamic theocrat would be so stupid as to mastermind the events we've seen over the past couple of days.

As for the Khamenei, one of his guys (Rafsanjani) has reportedly resigned from the Expediency Council (advisory board to the grand Ayatollah) but has called an emergency meeting of the "Assembly of Experts" which is the only body charged with the power to elect a Grand Ayatollah. Whatever Khamenei's role in all this, I find it very hard to believe that he's going to escape from it all with his grip on power unscathed.

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Originally posted by TheDemon It's not idiotic. Its true. Iran hasn't had a proper election since Khomeini.

Well, actually, you'r right, never mind. But there is a grey area. Yea, the Guardian Council chooses candidates, but for the most part, the election between those candidates has been fair itself. Though, the candidate process might not be.

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Originally posted by Krypton Idiotic statement. Really...

Care to elaborate on that?

Iran was a progressive state with a great but independent direction (which led to its downfall), and after the last free elections under Mossadeq, when he was overthrown by C.I.A.-led coup and a campaign of internal destabilization (a lot like Nicaragua), Iran has since been grippled by one wave of idiots or another. First, the oppressive Shah. Then the Islamic Revolution, almost as bad.

Despite what the media shows, conservatives are very strong in Iran. This is not the Soviet Union of 1989, and their regime will not fall as quickly. And besides, any new regime that will replace it will likely have setbacks.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Care to elaborate on that? Iran was a progressive state with a great but independent direction (which led to its downfall), and after the last free elections under Mossadeq, when he was overthrown by C.I.A.-led coup and a campaign of internal destabilization (a lot like Nicaragua), Iran has since been grippled by one wave of idiots or another. First, the oppressive Shah. Then the Islamic Revolution, almost as bad. Despite what the media shows, conservatives are very strong in Iran. This is not the Soviet Union of 1989, and their regime will not fall as quickly. And besides, any new regime that will replace it will likely have setbacks.

Nope, I do not care to elaborate.

If you guys can stomach it.... video of the people getting fired upon:

The situation is getting more messed up by minutes. The people have nothing to fight back the those Basiji assholes dont give a fuck AT all. It is very sad watching these videos. Iam very hopeful that shit is gonna hit the fan for the mullahs very very soon.

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The latest on this: 5,000 of Hassan Nasrallah's militia standing against ppl of iran.


Here is the statement by the son of the former Shah of Iran:

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http://www.rezapahlavi.org/press/?english&id=353 Today the world is witnessing the demonstrated anger of millions of Iranians against a regime that denies their most basic rights, including the right to choose leaders who could improve their abysmal condition. There is no exit from this condition, so long as one man appropriates onto himself the “power of god” and controls the judiciary, the media, the security forces and, through direct and indirect appointees dictates the only candidates claiming to represent an impoverished and disenfranchised people. Today I stand united with my fellow Iranians and call for the end of the Islamic Republic, or any other prefix in front of the name of my beloved Iran that indicates theocracy or any other form of disregard for democratic and human rights. I caution the world that offering any incentives or “carrots” to the theocracy under these circumstances is an affront to the people of Iran. This is not a time for short-sighted, self-defeating tactical games. This is the time for the free world to stand true to its principals and support the people of Iran’s quest for democracy and human rights.

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