If people cant be arsed to beatmatch, then they shouldnt be allowed in front of a crowd.

Yes, there is other dynamics to a playing a set. But if a DJ was to turn up and for whatever reason had to beatmatch manually then they would be regally fucked if they previously dismissesd it as a waste of time.

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Kind of a waste of time IMO if you're using external gear anyway. Ableton etc. is obviously another story.

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Originally posted by Jarvmeister Classically incorrect, and I suspect you'll never know why.......

Why incorrect ?

I dont say that getting two songs beatmatch is not important, I'm saying that : when you know how do it fine 99,9% of time, then this is waste of time.

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Originally posted by A.B If people cant be arsed to beatmatch, then they shouldnt be allowed in front of a crowd. Yes, there is other dynamics to a playing a set. But if a DJ was to turn up and for whatever reason had to beatmatch manually then they would be regally fucked if they previously dismissesd it as a waste of time. choo choo...........crash!!

When you play in front of a crowd once/twice a week, playing only EDM. Beatmatch is not the problem anymore. I discussed it a lot when DVS came stable and popular, i asked many djs, when you ask question to old dj, do you love to beatmatch ? answer is no, this is waste of time. When you ask to wanna be dj, which do pretty decent session, they all say, yes beatmatch is important.
Cause this is the only difference between them and dj who begin.

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Originally posted by Rippey64 Why incorrect ? I dont say that getting two songs beatmatch is not important, I'm saying that : when you know how do it fine 99,9% of time, then this is waste of time. When you play in front of a crowd once/twice a week, playing only EDM. Beatmatch is not the problem anymore. I discussed it a lot when DVS came stable and popular, i asked many djs, when you ask question to old dj, do you love to beatmatch ? answer is no, this is waste of time. When you ask to wanna be dj, which do pretty decent session, they all say, yes beatmatch is important. Cause this is the only difference between them and dj who begin.

You are missing the point dude.

If you have never learned to beatmatch or consider it "a waste of time" what would happen to any dj (new or old) if they were in a situation where they HAD to beatmatch??

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i have nothing against digital djs.

from my experience though, those who learned on hardware tend to be better djs simply because through the tedious practice that it took to learn they actually learned how to mix properly.

Beatmatching is by far not the hardest or most important skill in mixing. The reality is though, when you don't have a waveform, bpm counter auto beatmatch you need to figure out how to make things not sound like shit and after that you can mix on pretty much anything.


I can't tell you how many digital djs that i have heard that picked up some software and a month later think they have everything down and want to gig...even though they do not seem to understand simple phrasing, when to cue, how to eq, use filters and so on.

Yes not learning to beatmatch can make things less tedious, but the fact of the matter is that if you are going to be good at something you will need to practice no matter what. Nothing good ever comes easy, and as mentioned before in this thread when you can play a set on anything, that is when you can call yourself a skilled dj.

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seriously, beatmatching takes maybe 10 seconds to get them locked

if you take longer than that you're doing it wrong, or need more practice

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ps people that learn to beatmatch build that internal beatcounter in their brains. (i am sure some of the djs on here understand this term in case it sounds vague.)

that internal beatcounter is better than any waveform

i don't beat count anymore (it is second nature now), but if you are going to mix digitally beatcount every track for a month or 2 when you start and i guarantee that you will not only get better flow, but you will be an over all better dj.

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Originally posted by notelfreak ps people that learn to beatmatch build that internal beatcounter in their brains. (i am sure some of the djs on here understand this term in case it sounds vague.) that internal beatcounter is better than any waveform i don't beat count anymore (it is second nature now), but if you are going to mix digitally beatcount every track for a month or 2 when you start and i guarantee that you will not only get better flow, but you will be an over all better dj.

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as somebody who made the jump to ableton fully, sold the techs and the mixer *tear*, its nice not having to beatmatch, but i do believe it is something everybody should learn at some point.

it gives you a better understanding of "just because it looks right, it isnt going to sound right" main point to this is when you get the nice little phasing effect when beatmatching. upon warping my tracks in ableton, i have noticed the warp markers look right, but when you play through, you can obviously tell they arent on point. bass cancelling each other out, high hats disappearing, etc. to the untrained ear you wont know any better.

but if your not going to beatmatch, you better sure as hell do something a lot more interesting than standard a-b mixing.

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Originally posted by i got big pants as somebody who made the jump to ableton fully, sold the techs and the mixer *tear*, its nice not having to beatmatch, but i do believe it is something everybody should learn at some point. it gives you a better understanding of "just because it looks right, it isnt going to sound right" main point to this is when you get the nice little phasing effect when beatmatching. upon warping my tracks in ableton, i have noticed the warp markers look right, but when you play through, you can obviously tell they arent on point. bass cancelling each other out, high hats disappearing, etc. to the untrained ear you wont know any better. but if your not going to beatmatch, you better sure as hell do something a lot more interesting than standard a-b mixing.

how long does it take for you to warp a track, when you warp, do you change the tracks pitch to follow another track?