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Originally posted by nefardec with endless possibilities you also end up with endless shitty products

ha, i like that.

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Originally posted by nefardec and wannabes who can do neither and just fuck with other people's works of art by adding looping vst parameters and layer inane drum loops and delays

sure, if tiesto was using ableton live.

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Originally posted by movingincircles and as well as produce full length tracks it's really 2 pieces of software in one package. and there's a lot of little features that can produce huge effects such as looping VST parameters live, you can't do that stuff in traktor.

You have no idea what Ableton was conceived as, do you?

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue dude i agree to a certain extent but i think it's because the established digital dj hasn't done it right yet. joris voorn did something interesting with balance014, but still did it wrong (imo) and it ended up being a convoluted end-product. the possibility is there, but people keep on fucking it up by trying to do too much at once, not do enough, or just being outright boring.

Because there is no way to "do it right"

Either you're DJing music and playing tracks end to end without altering them much or you're cutting them up and diminishing them to make something else or play 4 of them at the same time for the sake of it.

Sure it can sound "cool" but I prefer people who just play good music and take you on a ride.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by movingincircles and there's a lot of little features that can produce huge effects such as looping VST parameters live, you can't do that stuff in traktor.

Which are all completely useless to good DJs

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis for the sake of it.

yep

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.

I wonder why producers master their tracks, just to have them taken by software DJs to be hacked, sliced, looped and altered live. Don't you get a drop in quality when you do it?

Using a program as basis to "DJ" is as difficult as Kraftwerk using hardware to create music live in the 70's. If you don't intend to create something new and own live, then, as a DJ, stick to CD or vinyl and concentrate on finding well produced tracks.

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I agree with most of you. As long as the music is good I don't give a flying fudge on how it's being played.

HOWEVER there are some points I totally disagree with

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Originally posted by nefardec who needs endless possibilities when you just need a few of the best

I began producing two years ago and started fiddling and scratching the surface of what you call those endless possibilities and let me tell you man, I just wanna go deeper and explore more.

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Originally posted by Clovis SO fucking true and the essence of why to me Ableton is not for DJing.

I'll always be the first one to say that music is meant to be mixed 'untouched': no crazy shitty effects that show a lack of mixing skill imo. I'm more of a purist so to say. Play the damn track the way you first heard it, don't filter that shit, just play it and mix you know? But you know I get bored of mixing after 5 tracks because I don't have enough control over what I play. This is why Ableton Live is the solution for molecular mixing. If I have the time, i'd love to make that kind of set!

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Originally posted by nefardec so now we have deejays, producers/live performers, and wannabes who can do neither and just fuck with other people's works of art by adding looping vst parameters and layer inane drum loops and delays

You can make insane stuff by taking samples off a random track i assure you, give me a track and i'll rape its fuckhole

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Originally posted by nefardec with endless possibilities you also end up with endless shitty products

Wrong the possiblities were already endless from the start. The possibilities just became quicker to explore but they didn't become easier to reach.

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Originally posted by ponsshin I began producing two years ago and started fiddling and scratching the surface of what you call those endless possibilities and let me tell you man, I just wanna go deeper and explore more.

um, ok - good for you

that doesn't make you good deejay though

and 'endless possibilities' is joris voorn's phrase.

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Originally posted by nefardec that doesn't make you good deejay though

I don't care. There are too many deejays anyway.

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lmao. the lot of you need to calm the f. down. seriously. dj'ing is nothing 'that' special. dare i say 'not special at all?' you should all apply this enthusiasm to something much more practical.

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Originally posted by ponsshin You can make insane stuff by taking samples off a random track i assure you, give me a track and i'll rape its fuckhole

this is precisely the attitude of the digital deejay that I can't stand.

poor choice of metaphor, also.