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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Midi keyboards or midi controllers are not really needed for anything anymore. We have mouse and keyboard. Most people either get them for the nostalgic feel [having something phsyical to handle] or because they think they need it in order to be a "real" producer. Bands are completely and utterly different. Because bands play live. Even the most sucsessful EDM artist is only playing music he pre-made. In EDM, a DJ plays your music. And now-a-days its probably a .wav file that he plays, as vinyl is getting rarer. Bands also play every song differently each show, EDM doesn't. Maby the band adds another section to a song, adds a new vocal section, repeats some stuff, what ever. This doesn't happen in EDM. Its just a fact of life, hardware is not a "requirement" for anything, so it goes that most people [who make music for money or fame] don't care for the nostaligic sound or feeling. The handful of "pro" artists you see with huge studios full of hardware, are not the majority of EDM producers. They are infact a tiny tiny tiny fringe minority. Most people who drive cars, don't use premium fuel, or have superchargers or even wash their car, they don't do that little bit of extra, they are content with the bare minimum, there is no reason to think most producers go "that extra level" and get all this hardware gear. You have a whole generation of producers coming up, who look at hardware as old and outdated. They don't care for it, they have their PC or laptop, and good monitors, and the rest is piratebay. Go to any electronic forum, look at the questions people ask, and the setups people have, most of them are using pretty much software only, with maby some nice monitors, and in rare instances a midi controller.

Yeah man all the great composers of our time work with ''penciling in the notes'' with the mouse. It is just more expressive like that. Especially when you actually know how to play the keyboard. All these other people just want to feel nostalgic and go back to the early part of the millennium when keyboards came out that did not make a sound at all. Those old days. So they buy those classic old fashioned m-audio midi controllers to ''feel'' like producers. That is a rare case though.

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Originally posted by derail I believe this is a matter of semantics - your definition of the word "knowledge" may differ from mine. I know very little for certain. It's probably safe to say "On Earth, I know that a rock will fall to the ground if I let it go", since gravity can be assumed to always exist, given our present level of scientific knowledge. However, I can't say something like "I know I need to highpass everything except my kick and bass, to give those instruments space down low". This is true for most of my productions/instruments, but there are times when this isn't the best option. I wouldn't make the above statement, because I don't "know" it. It's a technique which works well in the majority of cases, but it's not something I "know".

Wow, big misunderstanding then. Sorry.

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Originally posted by Existo22 Yeah man all the great composers of our time work with ''penciling in the notes'' with the mouse. It is just more expressive like that. Especially when you actually know how to play the keyboard. All these other people just want to feel nostalgic and go back to the early part of the millennium when keyboards came out that did not make a sound at all. Those old days. So they buy those classic old fashioned m-audio midi controllers to ''feel'' like producers. That is a rare case though.

There are no great composers in EDM. And only a fringe population of EDM artists ever actually go into classical composition.

And, it is possiable to compose very good orchestral peices with "just a mouse". IIRc hanz zimmer did the POTC music on a pc, with recorded samples. The music from the matrix has an electronic style, but still has classical composition to an extent, it, of course, was all made on a pc. With a mouse.

The notion that software is unable to compete with hardware or "real" instruments is depricated. Its simply untrue. With the right skill, a guy can use ONLy software and bhis mouse+keyb, and do awesome things. And its easyer to do.

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Last edited by sixofour.604 on Jul-18-2009 at 16:21

I think this was written to noobs with an open mind and the will to learn. And a person who says that most of the people who buy a midi controller only do it because they want to feel like real producers wont fit into that catagory.

You buy a midi controller or a synth because you need it to make things easier and better.

Instead of focusing on everything you think is bad in the article, maybe u should try to pick some things up.

I wouldn't benefit from anything in the artcle. Lol.

My expriense starting production in 2002 until now, has not involved anything listed in the article, i'm simply stating that.

The things I really needed to hear in 02 and 03 are things like:

-pick 2 or 3 synths at most and learn them ... When I first started producing I had around 200 soft synths. I spent most of my time preset and synth hopping. This halted my synthwork abilities by a few years.

-don't worry too much on "rules" of a genra, just make what you like ... You are better just making what you are feeling, and figuring out what genra it is later, then picking a genra out of the blue and saying "I want to make that"

-don't clip ... easy enough. Most of my tracks from the first 3-4 years are ruined now. They clip, and I no longer have the project files. The music is lost forever, save for a few busted mp3s.

-back up ... Ive lost way too much data in the past 7 years. Right now I only have the project files for about 5 of my tracks tracks. I have about 18 tracks ive made public. And about 20-30 unreleased. Most of it is gone.

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Ive also learned to ignore a lot of what I see on the internet. Go talk to musicians in real life, not just EDM [id actually say avoid EDM artists :P] but in all areas. This will help you to open doors in creativity that you never knew were there.

I was never concern with hardware. Ever. It wasn't relevent to me, I never bought into the myth that hardware sounds better of fuller, I always knew they were full of shit. Pun Intended. And the only people, along that journey that Ive met who had a lust for hardware, were people who looked at what Tiesto or Armin or some other shmuck had and said "yeah, I need to get that stuff because he has it" or "i read an article, so now I need to spent 25,THOUSAND dollars on some peice of gear" ... all the while their music never advanced passed the FL Studio demos that come with the software.

That was in 02 and 03.

Do you really think someone in 2009 who just downloaded flstudio off piratebay is concerned with getting the latest M-Audio 4853Pi BIGCOCK Edition card? Remember we are talking about noobs, not someone who has exprience for 5 years and decides to buy an virus or something. And what I am saying is new producers, people getting into the game right now, will likely never reach that "lets buy a virus" level, because software is .just. .that. .good.

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Last edited by sixofour.604 on Jul-18-2009 at 16:50

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Originally posted by Existo22 Yeah man all the great composers of our time work with ''penciling in the notes'' with the mouse.

Oh yeah, and it's so much quicker to pencil in notes. I mean, manually inputting up to 10 notes at a time in real-time when using a keyboard is so much slower than penciling in one note at a time...

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Originally posted by cryophonik Oh yeah, and it's so much quicker to pencil in notes. I mean, manually inputting up to 10 notes at a time in real-time when using a keyboard [and replaying the melody 500 times because it wasn't exactly perfect] is so much slower than penciling in one note at a time...

Fix'd

Using a mouse, I get the melody in on the first go perfectly. And most of the melody in any given song can be inputed in a few minutes.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Fix'd

Um, no. If you have to replay it 500 times, then it just means you suck.

Yet another decent thread derailed by crono's never-ending stream of stultifying tripe.

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I guess in diginut's world every piano player is within .0001 margin of error in timing. Apparently.

More nonsense from a guy who has contributed less than I have.

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r u claiming dignut has contributed less than zero on this forum? wow
ur crono aint u?

DigiNut.

You should know better than to feed the trolls.

You and I are old-hats (your hat is older) on these boards. Guys like that piss me off, but I still fight the impulse to acknowledge them.

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