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Originally posted by Nightshift Do you have sylenth or predator? cuz i'd make u a better project files if you did. lol.

i have both


just sitting trying to figure it out. no luck, project files would be a good help to get me a step higher in trance production.

those mid-basses were exactly what i was looking for. so if at all possible, please lend a helping hand.

thanks again bud.

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Last edited by Apollos Prelude on Jul-31-2009 at 10:32

I dont really think there is a 'guideline' to producing mid-basses.


Just stack basses one top of each other.. Running in different patterns and stuff like that.. Treat each Synth as a osc , because the reason why there is a orchestral is because a single violin doesn't sound nice on its own..

Mid basses are really just about layering , if you are going for that Static Blue or Andy Blueman sound.
Or , if you just want it simpler , just make a retrigger bassline and layer it with some sub basses.

For the EQ part , its quite straightforward to me..

Just take out the lower parts (90~150 Hz) , and the higher parts (3000+)
and viola .. It should sound like a typical mid bass.

These are just my experience with mid bass , So I CANT be very sure if what Im saying makes perfect sense

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well, i mean i downloaded the VST's that nightshift used...so id really like to see what he did and go from there

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Well you kinda gotta get creative with your sounds and things. Learning how to synthesize and how your synth works is the probably the best thing you could do. The most important thing is to work with the sound until you feel it sounds right.

Sometimes a layered bass doesnt always have seperate pattern. Sometimes its just layered using the synth's parameters if your synth allows you to do so.

I wanted to ahow you the project but i realized I didn't do it in FL Studio lol.

but i wanted to show you the mp3 and give you the bass patch that I made today of the bass in the mp3.

I will do a FLStudio soon, im sorry for my scattered brain lol.




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Originally posted by Nightshift Well you kinda gotta get creative with your sounds and things. Learning how to synthesize and how your synth works is the probably the best thing you could do. The most important thing is to work with the sound until you feel it sounds right. Sometimes a layered bass doesnt always have seperate pattern. Sometimes its just layered using the synth's parameters if your synth allows you to do so. I wanted to ahow you the project but i realized I didn't do it in FL Studio lol. but i wanted to show you the mp3 and give you the bass patch that I made today of the bass in the mp3. I will do a FLStudio soon, im sorry for my scattered brain lol. [[ LINK REMOVED ]] [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

looking forward to see what you can do with FL studio

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Let me bump this and rant real quick.

I have personally took on a case of OCD in recent months for getting my mid bass sounds up to pro level. I'd consider Oliver P's recent thread a great example of the sounds I'm going for.

To me theres a pretty distinct difference between an amateur mid bass and a pro mid bass. (I may dedicate a thread to this later with examples) But essentially the way a lot of amateurs create mid bass is the way they're told on these forums.

You can do 1,2 or 3 octave patterns.
And you can spend endless hours changing notes around till it drives the bass the way you want.

But the bass itself in my mind (for all amateurs) falls in a category I'd like to call "acheivable bass". Bassically something the sounds like a preset you'd find in sylenth or gladiator or 3 sawtooths layered together like 3osc.
Pro basses do NOT sound like vst presets. Not even close.

They also seem to wrap around the bass in a way where the kick and bass almost sound like ONE sound. I'm trying to figure out what an amateur is doing that a pro is not, or what a pro is doing that an amateur is not.

I hear a lot of people saying "layer your basses".. ok why? So intsead of my bass sounding like 1 3osc it'll now sound like 4?
To me, and this is just my opinion. No matter what sound waves I choose or how I tweak them all the basses still sound very amateur.

There has to be pros out there who don't even produce these types of amateur bass by accident. They're obviously operating under guidlines and tips we've NEVER HEARD or been expose to. Because if we were, we'd be making basslines just like them.

TIPS I've heard that have changed nothing:
Layering sounds. My sounds basically just get louder, but I'm not acheiving any sort of UNIQUE sound by doing that. I don't believe you get unique sounds by combining 6 different vsts into 1 bass. You wind up with a bass that sounds confused and muddy.

Effects:
Comeon, no magical parameters on a compressor are going to make your bass glow. It'll bring the levels up a bit but your basically making shit sounds louder.

Equalize: Ok, you drop everything below 150 right? Boost the mids a bit? So now my average sound sounds like an average sound with mids boosted.

What I'm saying is, and I know a lot of what I said is a gross generalization. But the pros are doing something VERY different for their basses that we're doing.
And I think what they're doing different is they're all using andromeda =] or virus.
Seriously, thats my tip.

If you want pro bass sounds by a fvcking andromeda.

You know why?
Cause not one person on this board has every submitted anything but an amateur sounding bassline using softsynths.
One day I'm going to do a tutorial bassed on like 10 years of research and my number one tip for mid bass is gonna be

1) stop using softsynths

Even Oliver P admitted he used a TI for most of those sounds and their favorite softsynth for a COUPLE of sounds.
Can you get a great sounding bass with a vst? Yes absolutely.

But if all the pros are using hardware (for bass) and all amateurs are using softsynths, maybe.. just MAYBE thats the difference everyone likes to casually ignore around here.

I mean how to most amateurs become amateurs? They download a cracked version FL or Cubase one day, a hundred cracked vstsm and never really drop a dime on any monster synth. They produce for a few years, get the idea down, and make amateur tracks.

But in my humble opinion, if they're not willing to spend money for some real piece of hardware, they can layer 100 sylenths and still never achieve anything near pro.

rant over - sorry guys =]

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Let me bump this and rant real quick. I have personally took on a case of OCD in recent months for getting my mid bass sounds up to pro level. I'd consider Oliver P's recent thread a great example of the sounds I'm going for. To me theres a pretty distinct difference between an amateur mid bass and a pro mid bass. (I may dedicate a thread to this later with examples) But essentially the way a lot of amateurs create mid bass is the way they're told on these forums. You can do 1,2 or 3 octave patterns. And you can spend endless hours changing notes around till it drives the bass the way you want. But the bass itself in my mind (for all amateurs) falls in a category I'd like to call "acheivable bass". Bassically something the sounds like a preset you'd find in sylenth or gladiator or 3 sawtooths layered together like 3osc. Pro basses do NOT sound like vst presets. Not even close. They also seem to wrap around the bass in a way where the kick and bass almost sound like ONE sound. I'm trying to figure out what an amateur is doing that a pro is not, or what a pro is doing that an amateur is not. I hear a lot of people saying "layer your basses".. ok why? So intsead of my bass sounding like 1 3osc it'll now sound like 4? To me, and this is just my opinion. No matter what sound waves I choose or how I tweak them all the basses still sound very amateur. There has to be pros out there who don't even produce these types of amateur bass by accident. They're obviously operating under guidlines and tips we've NEVER HEARD or been expose to. Because if we were, we'd be making basslines just like them. TIPS I've heard that have changed nothing: Layering sounds. My sounds basically just get louder, but I'm not acheiving any sort of UNIQUE sound by doing that. I don't believe you get unique sounds by combining 6 different vsts into 1 bass. You wind up with a bass that sounds confused and muddy. Effects: Comeon, no magical parameters on a compressor are going to make your bass glow. It'll bring the levels up a bit but your basically making shit sounds louder. Equalize: Ok, you drop everything below 150 right? Boost the mids a bit? So now my average sound sounds like an average sound with mids boosted. What I'm saying is, and I know a lot of what I said is a gross generalization. But the pros are doing something VERY different for their basses that we're doing. And I think what they're doing different is they're all using andromeda =] or virus. Seriously, thats my tip. If you want pro bass sounds by a fvcking andromeda. You know why? Cause not one person on this board has every submitted anything but an amateur sounding bassline using softsynths. One day I'm going to do a tutorial bassed on like 10 years of research and my number one tip for mid bass is gonna be 1) stop using softsynths Even Oliver P admitted he used a TI for most of those sounds and their favorite softsynth for a COUPLE of sounds. Can you get a great sounding bass with a vst? Yes absolutely. But if all the pros are using hardware (for bass) and all amateurs are using softsynths, maybe.. just MAYBE thats the difference everyone likes to casually ignore around here. I mean how to most amateurs become amateurs? They download a cracked version FL or Cubase one day, a hundred cracked vstsm and never really drop a dime on any monster synth. They produce for a few years, get the idea down, and make amateur tracks. But in my humble opinion, if they're not willing to spend money for some real piece of hardware, they can layer 100 sylenths and still never achieve anything near pro. rant over - sorry guys =]

i agree.

but i still want to see what Nightshift is going to show us using Sylenth and Predator.


please follow up with those midbass's Nightshift

counting on ya!

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Let me bump this and rant real quick. I have personally took on a case of OCD in recent months for getting my mid bass sounds up to pro level. I'd consider Oliver P's recent thread a great example of the sounds I'm going for. To me theres a pretty distinct difference between an amateur mid bass and a pro mid bass. (I may dedicate a thread to this later with examples) But essentially the way a lot of amateurs create mid bass is the way they're told on these forums. You can do 1,2 or 3 octave patterns. And you can spend endless hours changing notes around till it drives the bass the way you want. But the bass itself in my mind (for all amateurs) falls in a category I'd like to call "acheivable bass". Bassically something the sounds like a preset you'd find in sylenth or gladiator or 3 sawtooths layered together like 3osc. Pro basses do NOT sound like vst presets. Not even close. They also seem to wrap around the bass in a way where the kick and bass almost sound like ONE sound. I'm trying to figure out what an amateur is doing that a pro is not, or what a pro is doing that an amateur is not. I hear a lot of people saying "layer your basses".. ok why? So intsead of my bass sounding like 1 3osc it'll now sound like 4? To me, and this is just my opinion. No matter what sound waves I choose or how I tweak them all the basses still sound very amateur. There has to be pros out there who don't even produce these types of amateur bass by accident. They're obviously operating under guidlines and tips we've NEVER HEARD or been expose to. Because if we were, we'd be making basslines just like them. TIPS I've heard that have changed nothing: Layering sounds. My sounds basically just get louder, but I'm not acheiving any sort of UNIQUE sound by doing that. I don't believe you get unique sounds by combining 6 different vsts into 1 bass. You wind up with a bass that sounds confused and muddy. Effects: Comeon, no magical parameters on a compressor are going to make your bass glow. It'll bring the levels up a bit but your basically making shit sounds louder. Equalize: Ok, you drop everything below 150 right? Boost the mids a bit? So now my average sound sounds like an average sound with mids boosted. What I'm saying is, and I know a lot of what I said is a gross generalization. But the pros are doing something VERY different for their basses that we're doing. And I think what they're doing different is they're all using andromeda =] or virus. Seriously, thats my tip. If you want pro bass sounds by a fvcking andromeda. You know why? Cause not one person on this board has every submitted anything but an amateur sounding bassline using softsynths. One day I'm going to do a tutorial bassed on like 10 years of research and my number one tip for mid bass is gonna be 1) stop using softsynths Even Oliver P admitted he used a TI for most of those sounds and their favorite softsynth for a COUPLE of sounds. Can you get a great sounding bass with a vst? Yes absolutely. But if all the pros are using hardware (for bass) and all amateurs are using softsynths, maybe.. just MAYBE thats the difference everyone likes to casually ignore around here. I mean how to most amateurs become amateurs? They download a cracked version FL or Cubase one day, a hundred cracked vstsm and never really drop a dime on any monster synth. They produce for a few years, get the idea down, and make amateur tracks. But in my humble opinion, if they're not willing to spend money for some real piece of hardware, they can layer 100 sylenths and still never achieve anything near pro. rant over - sorry guys =]

You need to understand something Robby, "pros" spend alot of time making their basslines its not like they sit there for 2 minutes with a hardware (or software) synth then all the sudden have a phat bassline. it takes work and it takes patience to choose or make the right sounds and then apply EQ, compression, distortion, saturation or whatever they want to help basslines sit right. absolutely nothing will make your bassline automatically "pro sounding"...not even buying hardware. you've gotta work it yourself because whether you have hardware or software it takes just about equal amount of work to get a bassline right. Its not a walk in the park.

want to hear a completely software bassline that is "pro sounding" that was made back in 2006?


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It was a collaboration between me and a fellow producer...this track was also played by Aly & Fila. do you want to know how long we work on that bass to get it to sound like that? a long time. It was also made in FL...however i don't have the project file any longer. I can ask him if he still has it..but i know i don't.

@ Apollos - will get to that soon i been busy with a "week of family reunion" lol todays the last day so i should get to it soon.

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Originally posted by Nightshift @ Apollos - will get to that soon i been busy with a "week of family reunion" lol todays the last day so i should get to it soon.

thanks bud. looking forward to it

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Originally posted by ******** yeah I guess it sucks to be mckinnley right about now.

excuse me?

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quote:

Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Let me bump this and rant real quick. I have personally took on a case of OCD in recent months for getting my mid bass sounds up to pro level. I'd consider Oliver P's recent thread a great example of the sounds I'm going for. To me theres a pretty distinct difference between an amateur mid bass and a pro mid bass. (I may dedicate a thread to this later with examples) But essentially the way a lot of amateurs create mid bass is the way they're told on these forums. You can do 1,2 or 3 octave patterns. And you can spend endless hours changing notes around till it drives the bass the way you want. But the bass itself in my mind (for all amateurs) falls in a category I'd like to call "acheivable bass". Bassically something the sounds like a preset you'd find in sylenth or gladiator or 3 sawtooths layered together like 3osc. Pro basses do NOT sound like vst presets. Not even close. They also seem to wrap around the bass in a way where the kick and bass almost sound like ONE sound. I'm trying to figure out what an amateur is doing that a pro is not, or what a pro is doing that an amateur is not. I hear a lot of people saying "layer your basses".. ok why? So intsead of my bass sounding like 1 3osc it'll now sound like 4? To me, and this is just my opinion. No matter what sound waves I choose or how I tweak them all the basses still sound very amateur. There has to be pros out there who don't even produce these types of amateur bass by accident. They're obviously operating under guidlines and tips we've NEVER HEARD or been expose to. Because if we were, we'd be making basslines just like them. TIPS I've heard that have changed nothing: Layering sounds. My sounds basically just get louder, but I'm not acheiving any sort of UNIQUE sound by doing that. I don't believe you get unique sounds by combining 6 different vsts into 1 bass. You wind up with a bass that sounds confused and muddy. Effects: Comeon, no magical parameters on a compressor are going to make your bass glow. It'll bring the levels up a bit but your basically making shit sounds louder. Equalize: Ok, you drop everything below 150 right? Boost the mids a bit? So now my average sound sounds like an average sound with mids boosted. What I'm saying is, and I know a lot of what I said is a gross generalization. But the pros are doing something VERY different for their basses that we're doing. And I think what they're doing different is they're all using andromeda =] or virus. Seriously, thats my tip. If you want pro bass sounds by a fvcking andromeda. You know why? Cause not one person on this board has every submitted anything but an amateur sounding bassline using softsynths. One day I'm going to do a tutorial bassed on like 10 years of research and my number one tip for mid bass is gonna be 1) stop using softsynths Even Oliver P admitted he used a TI for most of those sounds and their favorite softsynth for a COUPLE of sounds. Can you get a great sounding bass with a vst? Yes absolutely. But if all the pros are using hardware (for bass) and all amateurs are using softsynths, maybe.. just MAYBE thats the difference everyone likes to casually ignore around here. I mean how to most amateurs become amateurs? They download a cracked version FL or Cubase one day, a hundred cracked vstsm and never really drop a dime on any monster synth. They produce for a few years, get the idea down, and make amateur tracks. But in my humble opinion, if they're not willing to spend money for some real piece of hardware, they can layer 100 sylenths and still never achieve anything near pro. rant over - sorry guys =]

I guess you haven't caught sight of Airbase's recent tutorial on his new tune "Back."



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2qq5dJXI

There is no hardware...

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

What the feck is a Mid-Bass? Bass is around 20hz up to 350ishhz...how can you split that 3 ways in any distinct manner?

Meh, Ive figured it out. What is the point of having 3 layers, a lower, middle and a high, with three seperate sounds? Why not just make a single bass patch that sounds good in the entier bass range? I'm working on a really acid track atm, and my bass is one patch in ABL2. And it coveres the whole spectrum, and the low end doesn't get busted.

A bass is something that should be strong, similar to things shareing its spectrum foom, and simple. Having fourtyleven layers seems like your over complicating things. The FL project files nightshift posted, he used 3 layers, he could have done all of that with one instance of the 3 osc, and mixer routing. Not to mention one 3osc uses less memory and resources than 3.

Because you use a shitload of big synths doesn't mean your shit sounds any better. Learn to program, and you won't have to crutch yourself by using many layers to have interesting sounds.

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