First let me say I understand and expect any negative feedback I get.

People will always be people, some happy and supportive, some miserable and insulting. No matter what the situation, thats the choice they make and if you're gonna come out in this thread condescending and like your shit doesn't smell, that just shows me how insecure you are in real life.

With that aside.
First let me say this is NOT a lack of effort.
I think I'm prob harder on myself then 90% of the people on this forum, and because of that I'm always trying to better things I'm not happy with.
Yes I DO complain, but it serves a pretty BIG purpose.

And I see why you guys don't understand that purpose cause I have made comments like "my skills aren't getting better" or w/e.

But the fact is threads like this, LOOK at the wealth of information that got spewed in this thread BECAUSE I bitched like a girl.

I know I can make arrogant comments sometimes but if you guys didn't help me A LOT I wouldn't be making threads like this in the first place.
I'm gonna take a few minutes now to actually go through all the links and anything else that needs to get addressed.
I watched the airbase tutorial and I hate to say that sounds amateur as shit imo. The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track.

But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths.

Anyway let me read more in this thread and more importantly get my FLPs up.
If someone can tell me ANYTHING, this thread was already worth it imo.
Well no that sounds selfish, this thread is already worth it because theres a lot of good info and links in it, this is not about just me if thats how I'm coming off.
Its about people helping each other which is what it should always be about.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I watched the airbase tutorial and I hate to say that sounds amateur as shit imo. The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track. But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths. Anyway let me read more in this thread and more importantly get my FLPs up. If someone can tell me ANYTHING, this thread was already worth it imo. Well no that sounds selfish, this thread is already worth it because theres a lot of good info and links in it, this is not about just me if thats how I'm coming off. Its about people helping each other which is what it should always be about.

Are you looking for a mid-bass that sounds great completely on its own?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process).

The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at.

I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to.

And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable.

You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up.

Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

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Who or What is a Pro Mid Bass to you?

If you provide examples perhaps people can help, ill stick up a sample of a FL project i made of resound to help me learn. There is one Offbeat bassline and One midbass in this.


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Originally posted by Beatflux Are you looking for a mid-bass that sounds great completely on its own?

Sounds like it...because I guess he doesnt know that its not about what a sound sounds like alone its about what it sounds like in the grand scheme of things.

I've seen projects where people have some rockin ass basslines and sounds layered but when they are solo'ed out then they are sometimes quite bland. A mid-bass sound alone is not going to sound very convincing to be honest...its how you make it fit into the entire mix.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox The mixing is great, the equalizing, layering and sidechaining is great, airbase obviously has skills, BUT the SOUND of the bassline itself, sounds very compensated for by other elements in the track. But yeh it works when you cover it up with acidlines and synths.

Robby, this is you answering your own question AND proving the point i just made.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process). The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at. I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to. And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable. You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up. Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

^THIS.



also robby how long have you been producing? and wheres a sample of what you want to improve?

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Originally posted by the-sixth Who or What is a Pro Mid Bass to you? If you provide examples perhaps people can help, ill stick up a sample of a FL project i made of resound to help me learn. There is one Offbeat bassline and One midbass in this. [[ LINK REMOVED ]]

Nice stuff!

Oh, lord. Please don't let this turn into a software vs. hardware debate.

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's not just effort. Effort does not equal outcome. I think everybody here understands your frustration, but it takes most people years to get that truly "pro" sound, and that's with a lot of talent (not saying you don't have any, I don't know you, but natural talent expedites the process). The difference here is that those people take failures or marginal improvements as motivation to hone their skills, whereas people like you blame their tools or whoever/whatever else they can point the finger at. I see this attitude everywhere. In systems, people blather on about Microsoft and clueless management. In trading, people cry about manipulation. On the road, other drivers "came out of nowhere". People who can't get in shape, blame it on their body type and assume that the bodybuilders all take steroids. In business, they'll cite unfair competition and a bad consumer economy. And in media production, producers blame it on the software and assume that the professionals have magical tools that just sound better than anything the amateurs have access to. And not once in their lives do any of these people ever stop to consider that the majority of the pros all had to face the same challenges. They had to put in a ridiculous amount of work, often because it represented their livelihood, and deal with failure after failure after failure, but they didn't give up on it, because they assumed that the problem must have been with them and was therefore solvable. You can feel free to pat yourself on the back for getting responses because you bitched like a girl, but you would have gotten better responses if you'd approached the discussion maturely. And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up. Last but not least, I'm somehow not surprised that you found a way to discount the example(s) you've listened to so far as being shit. I bet that if somebody handed you a sample and didn't tell you whether or not it was hardware or software, you wouldn't be able to tell, but as long as it's labeled as software, you're going to say it doesn't sound good. Once you learn to get over yourself, then you can start to improve.

Thank you for providing no FLPs and bringing absolutely NOTHING to the topic on hand.
You seem to have read a thread titled "I need to be pyschoanalyzed by a Dr. Phil wannabe".

Seriously, the topic is clear and simple and so are the things I asked. Go back and read as it was all clearly stated. If I'm imature, your inability to pay attention to detail and direction makes you what?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Thank you for providing no FLPs and bringing absolutely NOTHING to the topic on hand. You seem to have read a thread titled "I need to be pyschoanalyzed by a Dr. Phil wannabe". Seriously, the topic is clear and simple and so are the things I asked. Go back and read as it was all clearly stated. If I'm imature, your inability to pay attention to detail and direction makes you what?

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Originally posted by DigiNut And you'll definitely get better results in your actual production efforts if you grow up.

^THIS

Honestly i have nothing against you robby, but u ask for feedback and then dont listen to a damn word any of us tells you. And whats funny is everyone is saying and agreeing to the same damn thing yet you still won't listen. We've provided you much evidence of this situation, at least i know i have. Whether you choose to believe the evidence and use it to motivate yourself to hone your skills is your choice. But right now it seems like you're choosing against it.

It seems like you don't want to learn, you want it handed to you instead. Fact is most of us have learned on our own the hard way through experimentation, reading, listening and more experimentation. However, nowadays you have the ability to view airbase videos showing you EXACTLEY how to do what you are asking in basic guidelines but you still discount it and say its not good enough.

If you really think hardware is all the sudden going to make you sound good go ahead and get a piece of kit, but dont come back whining if that doesnt work out for you either saying u just wasted $x,xxx.xx

I agree with Diginut you need to grow up, stop complaining, and get to work if you want to acheive.

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Originally posted by Nightshift go ahead and get a piece of kit

Make it a Nord Lead 3.

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Now my response for some other folk:

Nighshift - I asked for FLPs for a specific reason. You listed nothing but mp3 and youtube links. I don't know where you heard, or who told you, or where you read that such and such used FL Studio and only vsts. But it really means nothing if you can't submit an FLP.

I just can't choose to believe something w/out seeing it with my own eyes.
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Mr. Jive - I have used 1 pos piece of hardware. But I have SEEN and HEARD other pieces so I know what they can do sonically. Well I don't I know how good they can sound w/out exploring them with my own hands (which is the issue right? *my own hands*)
So how is it that in that respect it works for the synths favor (in terms of superior sound quality)? Not against?

If I can know a synth is better just by hearing it, and not even touching it, that synth needs to be that much better because I couldn't get my tweak crazy fingers all over it.
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Cryo - That is a very interesting idea I think I may take you up on it
I would love to compare the results just to see.
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Evo & Trancl8r - you both make good points. I may have to reiterate what I'm looking for more clearly to Trancl8r and Evo it is all subjective but to a degree, a degree I will also need to clarify so you understand how subjective I'm really not being.
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Stef - putting someone down THEN saying "I don't wanna put you down" is just plain fvckn stupid shit. I'm not sure how to address you based on that logic, so I'm best off concluding it would be like talking to a wall.
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Owsey - you are right on every point you make. Yes vsts can make good sounds, but there is still such a huge difference from the sound quality of more well known pros I suppose like Armada. If you wear a pair of headphones listening to Armada, then you wear a pair of headphones off tranceaddict to a "well produced" trance track, pro or w/e you would call it, you can actually hear the difference by way the woofer in the headphone tickles you ear.
The bass just sounds louder, wraps around the kick like a puzzle piece, and sounds so deep and rich. It has something to do with the level of the bass I think, they bring it up so high w/out distorting anything that it the entire bass sounds deeper and fuller.
This is so hard to fuckn explain gzz..
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BeatFlux-
No, I'm looking for a bass that sounds good with a kick, and possibly even a bit of percussion. The type of bass pros can intro with nothing but the kick, bass, and a bit of percussion but when you hear it loop over and over you actually seem like you can hear it for the next 3 hours and not get bored if the pattern never changed.
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The 6th - You are right I'm getting to it just reading and responding to everyone post is taking longer then I expected lol and I couldn't dl your file kept getting "invalid http", was just clicking the link.




Overall its obvious I just need to get samples of both up and describer more specifically what I'm talking about.
I suppose I can understand how some of you can be confused, I really need to refine my question and make my point.

I'll get back to this thread in the morning, really getting too late for all this now.

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Spelling fuck as "Fvck" is just "plain fvcking stupid shit"

Dj Robby Rox, what you need to do is read this thread, and the other one, carefully. Then go into FL or where ever. Concentrait JUST on making bass for 1 full week. One Full Week. Only bass. Don't add a kick drum. Don't add a pad. Practicing making a bass, an awesome bass, that stands by itself and still sounds awesome. Then come back in a week, post the MP3s, and post what you think needs work from your mp3s. And I am sure everyone will GLADLY help you.

To everyone else, I say we don't respond to him on the subject of Basses untill:

A. A week has passed.

B. He posts MP3s of his stuff.

Force him to practice, and don't feed him words, otherwise we will get another thread down the shitter. And trust me, i'm an expert on threads going down the shitter. :P

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