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Originally posted by sixofour.604 I like your attitude Energy_3, It would be nice if some of these other Nuts would adopted it.

....likewise

Same fag.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 @Diginut "know the theory"...all that means is you know what the concepts are called. Again, knowing the name of a concept, ie. what everyone agrees to call it, doesn't help you become a better musician. As for Jazz, jazz is horrible music. If its the result of people spending countless hours in music theory class, then I can see why so many people have such a bias against learning theory. And I would agree with them. You either have music down, and learning theory is just a way to add names to what you know..or you don't have it down, and learning theory probably won't help you much. That is the advice I am giving. And its much better than anything you have said Diginut, all your shitty advice leads to is more Tiesto-wannabes. Its the same bland crap you see in countless interviews and QA for . And the world doesn't want any more of that. I'm not saying learning theory is bad or what ever, i'm saying if you don't already have a strong grasp on musical concepts, theory isn't going to magically make you hans zimmer. Ive seen music theory classes. On average if there was 200 students who took the class, only like 5-6 actually used the information, and went on to be musicians. This shows that learning theory isn't some magical musician maker.

not sure where to start.

A. jazz was not made by people that took theory courses
B. Hanz Zimmer doesn't know music theory.
C. using fag to describe something is what 10 year olds do.
D. The concept of either you have it or not is not supported by most surveys regarding people that succeed in music. Hardwork is usually/always the key component.
E. Saying jazz music sucks makes you sound incredibly stupid.
F. You are most likely a little child.
G. If you aren't a child, flick off the retard switch.

there i think i covered all the diatonic notes.

thanks guys appreciate it greatly - Look i am far from perfect, you should see the arguments I have with my Woman from time to time, and what from, just a difference of opinion. But, my main point is that simply, there are many avenues to expression in which mankind may take to express himself - and, im not saying that anyone has expressed themselves inadequately here at all - but we all can tell when a certain point is being expressed in haste, rather than in, the virtue of good.

[Quote] D. The concept of either you have it or not is not supported by most surveys regarding people that succeed in music. Hardwork is usually/always the key component.

so true and that is in any approach, either through instructive based theory or, intuitive intent!

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for those that care to know, music theory as they teach it now is actually quite modern. Functional Harmony - perhaps another name for chord progression - was not codefied by Riemann until the later part of the 1800's. That is to say the masters like Brahms , Beethoven, Wagner ... did not have a theory of chord progressions yet they made music that is still considered unsurpassed in manipulation of instruments, chords ... You would be surprised to know how many of the great masters had to conceptualize the arrangement of chords by themselves in a way that although undoubtedly resembles the system presented much later, was still considered a secret .

And the theory they teach, which really shouldn't be called theory, although useful, is really only a system of presentation that i suppose works well for most western music. But since all of you make that sort of music and use the most basic of chordal manipulation, it would only make you better producers.

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Originally posted by RichieV not sure where to start. A. jazz was not made by people that took theory courses B. Hanz Zimmer doesn't know music theory. C. using fag to describe something is what 10 year olds do. D. The concept of either you have it or not is not supported by most surveys regarding people that succeed in music. Hardwork is usually/always the key component. E. Saying jazz music sucks makes you sound incredibly stupid. F. You are most likely a little child. G. If you aren't a child, flick off the retard switch. there i think i covered all the diatonic notes.

A. It is now.
B. So?
C. Arguing over opinions is what 10 year olds do.
D. So? They tested a bunch of people "who have it". That doesn't change much. Hardwork, works to increase the inate abilities that you have, hardwork doesn't produce new abilities out of the blue.
E. Ok, Jazz music is poorly made.
F. No And..
G. Nope.

The only reason people think Classical Composers are unsurpased is because they idolize those composers. Its the same reason why people like jazz so much. Though it is a double edged sword, because most music does fail to surpass classical composition, and I think jazz is partly why. The need to make money or be famous is the other part.

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i think the take home message is that you are incredibly uninformed and I thought perhaps you could benefit from knowing that you are wrong on a few points. Or maybe you like sounding stupid.

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Originally posted by RichieV i think the take home message is that you are incredibly uninformed and I thought perhaps you could benefit from knowing that you are wrong on a few points. Or maybe you like sounding stupid.

You are just mad because I cuasally critque that which you hold great. I don't look up to classical european musicians in any sense of the word, I consider them the buttom rung of their time. And I think thats what gets at you, and further more, I have the "audacity" to attack jazz.

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You really believe you are being audacious in attacking a genre ? I don't hold jazz dear to my heart, it is one of many styles that i'm familiar with. It just sounds silly when someone says a genre that spans 100 years sucks. Maybe you could be more specific. And you aren't getting at me, I'm just a little concerned like a father helping his retarded son into the car.

Do I think I look audacious attacking Jazz? To some, definatly. Maby you aren't aware of how much pull Jazz has on people, its almost like a cult. To most people who I have met, whern I told them jazz music blows, its as If in their eyes I killed their family and raped their children.

Its as if I went to a christian and told them the bible is false. Maby where you are from jazz doesn't have that pull, but here its staunch. And I base my statements on the fact that Ive never heard a coherent jazz song.

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Originally posted by sixofour.604 Ive never heard a coherent jazz song.

Define coherent. Do you find twinkle twinkle little star coherent ? I'm trying to gauge your level of sonic conceptualization so i can better understand why you have such a hard time with a genre that in its hey day used progressions that were quite standard even when compared to classical music.