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Originally posted by EgosXII this is retarded imo. if the people hadn't paid them for their track then the creator of the track would have got the credit they deserved, releasing it under their own name! instead some dj who doesn't have any respect for music production says things like 'i don't care how tracks get made'... of course it matters where it comes from, this scene is about respect and is heavily political, i think people deserve credit for what they've made. see geert huinink for example: he'd be huge if all his tiesto stuff was under his own name imo... i think the only time it's ok is if it's someone like benno de goeji who ghost-writes for a number of people since he's already big enough as rank 1 he can spare some respekt

No respect for music production ? Ha, that's why I spend hours every day learning how to us Logic. I don't use engineers and never will but I'm willing to accept that some of my favourite tracks of all time were made by people using an engineer. When you're on the dance floor listening to it, it makes no difference.

When people say Ghost Writer does that mean someone produced the track alone then some DJ put his name on it or has the DJ actually gone into the studio and had some input in the track. If the former then that is a lot worse for sure, I'd just like to clarify that.

In the Hard House scene a lot of who people would call the top producers use engineers. Tony De Vit, the Godfather of Hard House used Simon Parkes, Karim used Andy Allder a lot, Paul Glazby uses Paul Maddox and Farley uses quite a few such as Paul Janes and Dom Sweeten but they're always present in the studio when the track is made. Between them they've made some of the best Hard tracks ever made. Tracks which wouldn't have seen the light of day without their input.

Ghost Writing for people who have no input is rather lame however and your right, those tracks could be put out without some flash DJs name on. My question is, why don't they ?

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Originally posted by Cryogen Ghost Writing for people who have no input is rather lame however and your right, those tracks could be put out without some flash DJs name on. My question is, why don't they ?

Yes, some DJs buy songs outright, without any personal input (or at most a very vague genre/sound ballpark).

It's much easier to get exposure for the song if it's got a big name DJ attached to it. And it's guaranteed money - if you've created a decent song, you may end up with a hundred dollars out of digital sales once the label takes their cut (I'm pulling numbers out of the air here), but a big name DJ offers you a grand for it - well, you weigh it up.

If a ghost writer isn't being paid decent money for the song, then you're right, there is no point.

I guess it all comes down to cash. Top DJ + Top Engineer = £££. If neither would be as big on their own then it's a given that many are going to take advantage of it.

From a producers point of view it is lame though. They should at least go to the studio and steer the track in some direction. As opposed to ringing someone up and asking them to email you a Trance anthem.

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Originally posted by derail Ghost writers are generally paid extremely well to not get credit. No-one's holding a gun to their heads. They see an opportunity to make a lot of money and take it. That's their choice.

Completely agree with this.

I used to be bothered when I learned that many tracks I loved were not entirely made by who I thought they were. When I found out Tiesto uses ghost writers for some of his stuff I was very disappointed having always felt Tiesto was a talented producer and admiring him as a result.

But now, I'm not so bothered. If the track is good, then who cares who made it. Now I'm just not so naieve into giving credit to the artist if I don't know what input he actually had.

Like Derail says, no one is forcing producers to ghost-write. They decide of their own accord. Some of you on here make it sound as though they are being taken advantage of by the DJ who's name takes the credit. This couldn't be further from the truth. If, as a producer, you are happy to ghost-write for someone else then it os very beneficial for both parties. The DJ raises his profile, and inevitibally gets more bookings and fans from releasing his own tracks. The ghost-writer gets paid well by the DJ, has his tracks played to and heard by thousands and inevitabally will gain more connections, creating more opportunities. The only drawback I can see is, as the producer, you won't get the recognition from the listenening fans that you deserve. But then ask yourself this..

Do you produce for fame or to make a track that you and hopefully many others will enjoy listening to...?

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Does it make it an ineferior track if a ghost producers created it? No. So who gives a stuff? Dance music has never been about getting your name on stuff. I personally think everything should jsut be released as a white label.

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I don't see ghost writing as being a whole lot different than doing session work (except that the pay is probably much better). I did some session work many years ago where I'd show up at the studio, look over the chart, lay down the bass line, sign the paper work, and go cash my tiny check. These were usually just radio ads/jingles, so no obviously no credit was given, but I'd hear the ad on the radio, LOL at how stupid the jingle was, and have warm memories of the pizza that I bought with my earnings. Being a ghost writer for a major DJ act sounds like much more fun.

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Its easy at a bedroom producer to talk smack about the big name guys using a team to create tracks. However, these guys were once bedroom producers/DJ's too. The problem is most people on this forum still look at those guys as regular DJ/producers which they are not any more. They are a brand, similar to any big name pop star.

They paid their dues, and became a brand with a lot of hard work. As a ghost writer your going to do better releasing a track under a big brand name than some small label. If the writer, and brand name DJ/producer all sign an agreement and understand each other than whats the problem?

If AVB or Ferry or someone similar asked you to help write a track for them would you really turn it down???

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Originally posted by kitphillips Does it make it an ineferior track if a ghost producers created it? No. So who gives a stuff? Dance music has never been about getting your name on stuff. I personally think everything should jsut be released as a white label.

Wouldn't that be something? People would actually have to use their ears before anything else.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

There are plenty of quite big and successful producers who still write their own stuff. BT? Aphex Twin? The real reason for "ghost producing" is that the super big DJs lack either the time or the talent to come up with all their own stuff, so they hire someone else to do it.

People who dont make their own EDM-tracks are fucking lame.
No respect from me. No matter how busy they are. Your production should have your signature sound and feeling on it and no one but u (if at all) can get that out. I also think that people that writes music for others are lame really. I cant understand why someone would do that. It means in general that they write pointless music without any feel that they dont want their own name on.

to get help on the actualy mixing, leveling, eqing and mastering though is ok in my eyes. thats more a engineer job than an artistic job and if u can get help with that u can get more energy into the creative part.

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i personally see no wrong with it... the ghost writer agreed to do it and the producer with their name on it compensated them for that.

however, i would have a problem if the producer claims to be an artist while they have ghost written tunes.