Great tip, thank u.

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Originally posted by Stef As further proof for the strength of sampling, there have been quite a few famous songs that were simply sample based and every synth sound was a sample from VEC or what have you. I've noticed a lot of people rant and rave about how much gear they have and how much time they spend programming synths... but after i listen to the final product i am always amazed at how sub-par it truly is. I'm not going to name anyone here but i think the producers know who they are. At the end of the day you can use whatever you want but only the final product counts for anything. No one but the sound design geeks out there honestly care that you've spent x amount of time programming a certain sound. Sampling is an art form in an of itself. Laidback Luke, arguably one of the biggest names and trendsetters in the house scene, said it himself when people ask him how he makes his kicks and other samples; he said he just rips them straight out of a track he likes. Honestly, I'm just tired of this bullshit elitism, i don't care how much experience you have or how "correct" you are in what you do. sorry /rant_over

lol swiping other peoples hardwork because they wont spend the time on making them is pure lazy in my book.
and the track may sound good or better as a finished song but sorry its not there workb end off.

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Originally posted by owien lol swiping other peoples hardwork because they wont spend the time on making them is pure lazy in my book. and the track may sound good or better as a finished song but sorry its not there workb end off.

Well you continue to do things your own way, i just highly doubt you are getting anything out of it.

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Originally posted by owien lol swiping other peoples hardwork because they wont spend the time on making them is pure lazy in my book. and the track may sound good or better as a finished song but sorry its not there workb end off.

As I said, everyone has their own opinion.

My opinion is, that unless you:

1) build your own (analogue, obviously) sound sources, using components you have created yourself (no off-the shelf russian circuits - I build all my own circuit boards, vacuum tubes and so on, from materials I took from the earth with my own bare hands);

2) sample them using a microphone you've also built yourself, into a computer you've built yourself (once again, from the ground up, using a chip architecture you've designed rather than an Intel/ AMD copy), running an operating system you've written;

3) use the samples in a sequencer which you've written (using a computer language you created, rather than using something off-the-shelf, such as C++)

Then you're lazy. And not a "real" musician. And a jerk. Because using anything that anyone else did is just plain wrong.

But as I said, this is purely my opinion. Others are equally valid.

^LOL EPIC WIN.

Get em Derail!!!

In all honesty it's true all that matters is the final product. Sampling has been an integral part of music production for many many years and spanned many different genres. This will not change anytime soon; if at all.

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Originally posted by Stef Well you continue to do things your own way, i just highly doubt you are getting anything out of it.

well of course i am because its all my own work ive spent the time making something witch is my own.and not swiped from someone else.

I've got different folders where I sort my "keepers"

for instance....
atmosphere
stabs
synths
one-shot synths
one-shot bass
one-shot perc
perc loops
kicks
fx
vocals


I go through my sample packs and take out the samples that I like and throw them into whatever respective folder they belong in. I've developed a hell of a database in my opinion. I honestly don't need any more sample packs but they're addicting as hell.

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Originally posted by derail As I said, everyone has their own opinion. My opinion is, that unless you: 1) build your own (analogue, obviously) sound sources, using components you have created yourself (no off-the shelf russian circuits - I build all my own circuit boards, vacuum tubes and so on, from materials I took from the earth with my own bare hands); 2) sample them using a microphone you've also built yourself, into a computer you've built yourself (once again, from the ground up, using a chip architecture you've designed rather than an Intel/ AMD copy), running an operating system you've written; 3) use the samples in a sequencer which you've written (using a computer language you created, rather than using something off-the-shelf, such as C++) Then you're lazy. And not a "real" musician. And a jerk. Because using anything that anyone else did is just plain wrong. But as I said, this is purely my opinion. Others are equally valid.

i see why you would use that stand point but in the end to be alble to make all your own work has to more rewarding and makes it far better to make things work in the track.

yes it is all down to personal prefence granted if you play piano then their must be loads of songs made using the same notes as before. but why spend time on playing songs other people have written other then learning when you can create your own?

witch is my hole point.

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Originally posted by owien i see why you would use that stand point but in the end to be alble to make all your own work has to more rewarding and makes it far better to make things work in the track. yes it is all down to personal prefence granted if you play piano then their must be loads of songs made using the same notes as before. but why spend time on playing songs other people have written other then learning when you can create your own? witch is my hole point.

Hey mate, hopefully this doesn't come off as offensive but you need a new keyboard or some english lessons!

As for using samples, it all comes down to personal preference which you did say in your post. Then you turn around and basically talk about the only way that one can achieve rewarding productions is through making everything themselves. That may be the case for you, but it's not the case for everybody, and to try and tell people or convince them that your way is the right way (in any subjective conversation, not just using samples) makes you look quite silly.

+1

ultimately the nature of the completed work is what matters, and again if someone uses samples, i agree that the context in which they may use them is going to be entirely different to how someone else would. And, in most cases we are merely repeating the past with sound production anyhow to a general extent so the idea of creating something completely new is far from realistic (of course this is not entirely accurate) but i am sure it's understandable. most things are re-creations of the past just variations to arrangement and composition are what exists, and thats what makes it new.

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