I am literally shitting my pants over here.

This is indeed, a scary slippery slope.


Woe is us.

At least we still have our guns to defend ourselves. In fact I think I'm going to go buy a shotgun today.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis I am literally shitting my pants over here. This is indeed, a scary slippery slope. Woe is us. At least we still have our guns to defend ourselves. In fact I think I'm going to go buy a shotgun today.

You don't think any of it is scary? Take 2 of Obama's czars as examples. His science czar John Holdren advocated for population control via adding sterilization chemicals to the water supply and that newborn babies are not yet fully human. His idol and mentor Harrison Brown, like him, was a eugenist bent on "preventing biologically unsound people from breeding." He also has stated that redistributionism is the cure for American exceptionalism.


Then let's take a look at the newly departed Van Jones. Here are just some of the highlights of his career leading up to his appointment as the "Green Jobs Czar"

-Board member of the Apollo Alliance who helped write the stimulus package... which he personally was then given $80 billion of to disperse where he saw fit.

-Arrested in 1993 during Rodney King riots. In jail he said, in his own words, "I met all these young radical people of color. I mean really radical; communists and anarchists... and it was like, this is what I need to be a part of. By August, I was a communist."

-Founding member of STORM (Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement), which held study groups based on Marxist and Leninist teachings. It's member pamphlet states: "All of STORM's members a basic understanding of, and committment to revolutionary Marxist policies, with a particular emphasis on the historical experiences of 3rd world communist movements

-STORM's objective, as stated in their manifest: Mobilizing young people of color into militant direct action, and combine it with more deeply rooted organizing in our communities. One of their main goals was mobilizing for a convicted cop killer Mumia Abu-Jamal.

-Arrested again in 1999 while protesting the World Trade Organization.

-Signed a 9/11 Truther petition in 2004 demanding an investigation on the matter. Of course, he denies now that he believes that which means that he's asking us to create a new standard for public officials in which documents that bear their signature should no longer be used against them.

-Claimed "Republicans are assholes" then when getting called out on it said that he really believes in bipartisanship.

-Claimed that whites were directly and purposely steering pollution into black neighborhoods. Claimed that school shootings are a white problem.


And YET... there has been total media silence on the issue. He resigned Saturday at midnight over the controversy when nobdy was paying attention. Except from the 1 or 2 who reported it after he resigned claiming it was due to a Republican consipracy... video of him saying all that shit in his own words did him in for god's sake! Are you concerned AT ALL that someone like Jones, who is a self admitted communist and marxist, a militant, and a paranoid racist getting to that high of a level within the government and become one of the president's closest advisors?

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You are complaining about a few radical leftists in the government, when during the last administration, was full of radical right wingers. Do you actually think no administration has a few radicals? If you want to call this administration communist, then I can likewise call the last one fascist. Where does that get us? No where. Why are we arguing over such stupid bullshit? Our politics is the laughing stock of the first world. Let's argue about who is a communist and who is a fascists. Yes, let's waste our precious time on such stupid bullshit. Meanwhile, Europe is looking at us like we'r fucking idiots.

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"Doctor Zero," lol.

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Originally posted by Krypton You are complaining about a few radical leftists in the government, when during the last administration, was full of radical right wingers. Do you actually think no administration has a few radicals? If you want to call this administration communist, then I can likewise call the last one fascist. Where does that get us? No where. Why are we arguing over such stupid bullshit? Our politics is the laughing stock of the first world. Let's argue about who is a communist and who is a fascists. Yes, let's waste our precious time on such stupid bullshit. Meanwhile, Europe is looking at us like we'r fucking idiots.

You comment about a few radical leftists being in the administration like it's no big deal. Radical leftists who are the president's closest advisors. How can you compare the radical nature of the 2 I listed to anything in the Bush administration? Like Mongoose earlier, you are justifying Obama doing it by saying Bush did it too, when you're as anti-Bush as it gets. You're totally cool that our president knowingly aligned himself with a self avowed communist/marxist/anarchist who is a 9/11 Truther and says white people are putting toxic pullution into black communities? That shit should be worrysome man.

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Originally posted by The17sss You comment about a few radical leftists being in the administration like it's no big deal. Radical leftists who are the president's closest advisors. How can you compare the radical nature of the 2 I listed to anything in the Bush administration? Like Mongoose earlier, you are justifying Obama doing it by saying Bush did it too, when you're as anti-Bush as it gets. You're totally cool that our president knowingly aligned himself with a self avowed communist/marxist/anarchist who is a 9/11 Truther and says white people are putting toxic pullution into black communities? That shit should be worrysome man.

What was worrisome was having a radical neo-con nationalist as vice president. That was scary. The people in this administration who really matter aren't communist loons dude. He was a czar. A cog in the wheel. These people don't make policy. Their job is to carry out the executive's policy. It's easy to pick out one or two radicals in any administration, as for this case, it's insignificant as I'v just pointed out.

Using this as an example to support a perception that socialism, fascism, communism, etc (right wingers seem to not be able to make up their minds on that), is on the rise in this country is laughable.

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Originally posted by Krypton What was worrisome was having a radical neo-con nationalist as vice president. That was scary. The people in this administration who really matter aren't communist loons dude. He was a czar. A cog in the wheel. These people don't make policy. Their job is to carry out the executive's policy. It's easy to pick out one or two radicals in any administration, as for this case, it's insignificant as I'v just pointed out.

A cog in the wheel isn't unaccountable to everyone except Obama, and given $80 million worth of stimulus money to hand out. His job was in fact to make policy to get "green jobs" going with use of that money. There are more than 2 nut cases in there... I only listed 2. But the worrysome point is that you're ok with Obama being ok with someone like Van Jones, knowing his background, working in the bowels of the W.H.

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Originally posted by The17sss A cog in the wheel isn't unaccountable to everyone except Obama, and given $80 million worth of stimulus money to hand out.

So every single employee of the white house must be appointed by Congress? That's ridiculous.

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His job was in fact to make policy to get "green jobs" going with use of that money.

You'r statement proves my point. The czars don't make policy, they help the president carry out within their specific responsibility. He was given a task, as you just stated, "get green jobs going". He wasn't the one making the policy.

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There are more than 2 nut cases in there... I only listed 2.

Like I said, the one's making the policy aren't leftist loons. And an extremely small minority of those carrying out the policy aren't loons either.

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But the worrysome point is that you're ok with Obama being ok with someone like Van Jones, knowing his background, working in the bowels of the W.H.

Knowing his background? They didn't know he was a 9/11 truther. Dude, have you been watching Glenn Beck?

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Originally posted by Krypton So every single employee of the white house must be appointed by Congress? That's ridiculous.

haha no... I'm not saying that. But it's ass backwards for them to have power over those who do have to go through the confirmation process, especially if they are being paid by federal tax dollars.

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Knowing his background? They didn't know he was a 9/11 truther. Dude, have you been watching Glenn Beck?

Yeah... sure they didn't know. It took someone about 30 minutes on google to find it out. And even if they didn't, his association with STORM is frightening enough. But I digress: from Time Magazine 2 weeks after the election on Obama's rigorous vetting process:

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Though over 7,000 jobs are expected to become available in President-elect Barack Obama’s Administration, applying for them is not for the faint of heart — or character. In order to compete for any of the positions, from U.S. coordinator for Afghanistan to staff assistant in the Department of Public Affairs, prospective Obamans need to fill out a grueling seven-page questionnaire created by Obama’s transition team to ensure that all members of the next Administration have had their closets spring-cleaned of any skeletons well in advance. The questionnaire leaves no stone unturned in its 63-part effort to excavate any personal or professional transgressions in a candidate’s past. Sample indiscretions run the gamut from criminal convictions and tax fraud to text messages or personal diary entries that could be a “possible source of embarrassment” to the President-elect if made public.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/a...1859954,00.html

guess Van Jones' application accidently got lost.

Where in the executive order did it say his job was to "create policy"? Working in the White House means you are the President's point man on a specific issue, and that you follow his instructions in working with Congress and the various Executive agencies to draft policy initiatives.

Perhaps the problem is in the terminology - you're reading a lot more power into these "czar" positions than really exists. It's not like they are ordering Cabinet officials (or anybody that works for a Cabinet official) around.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Where in the executive order did it say his job was to "create policy"? Working in the White House means you are the President's point man on a specific issue, and that you follow his instructions in working with Congress and the various Executive agencies to draft policy initiatives. Perhaps the problem is in the terminology - you're reading a lot more power into these "czar" positions than really exists. It's not like they are ordering Cabinet officials (or anybody that works for a Cabinet official) around.

Nothing you say can justify the appointment of an admitted communist, maxist, and anarchist, who was a 9/11 truther that blames whitey at every turn, to a prominent role in the administration while getting paid by the taxpayers and is subject to no accountability by the public.

If your complaint is poor vetting, then it is one I assuredly share. But you are way over-stating the power of these people in order to make a political point that misconstrues both political theory and fact.

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