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Originally posted by Spam It could also be because Obama is very young, and old people don't respect younger people.

that actually crossed my mind as well. So it's either age or race.

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Originally posted by ziptnf As far as the topic is concerned, this isn't a matter of race, this is a matter of the Republicans refusing to compromise on any health care bill.

How easily we believe those Democrat talking points. That would be an interesting statement if:

1) The Republican plan that was offered 6 months ago would have been considered. http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/G...ain;contentBody

2) The Republicans had actually been invited to meetings on health care to offer more ideas. THey have not been invited to contribute since APRIL.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...lks-since-april

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So Joe Wilson made an ass out of himself for no reason. Wouldn't be the first time a Republican did that.

Did you not read the Congressional Research Service report article? It explains very plainly how easy it is to get around things... how illegals in fact can participate in most of the critical aspects of the government health system including the health care exchanges.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...--55021087.html

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They will oppose Obama and the Democrats at any cost, even if it means humiliating themselves in front of the entire country.

Flashback: Bush's 2005 State Of The Union speech where he was getting boos from Democrats in the audience while speaking. Guess it was ok then.



Shit... even Media Matters has a compilation on news reports from Koppel, Scarborough, John Roberts, Bob Barr, etc. explaining how it was "unprecdented"---> http://mediamatters.org/research/200502040014

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Originally posted by The17sss Did you not read the Congressional Research Service report article? It explains very plainly how easy it is to get around things... how illegals in fact can participate in most of the critical aspects of the government health system including the health care exchanges. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/o...--55021087.html

And yet still illegal immigrants won't qualify for federal subsidies or programs that grant insurance. You do realize that this is EXACTLY as it stands today, yes? They can "get around things" by getting insurance coverage from their employer? Great, they can do that today too. But they won't receive federal subsidies for it - also EXACTLY as it stands today.

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Flashback: Bush's 2005 State Of The Union speech where he was getting boos from Democrats in the audience while speaking. Guess it was ok then.

No. It was childish and wrong then too. Jesus H. Christ on a bike, you're such a partisan apologist.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov It really doesn't take much to provoke a rant from you, does it? One person in a thread speculates about race and four people say it isn't a factor and you throw a tizzy about how the "Left" only has a race card and nothing else to play? You seriously need to take a deep breath sometimes.

I didn't say the race card is all they have... I said it's their go-to move when they aren't getting their way or find themselves in a tight spot now more than ever. You are correct though- I do need to take a breath sometimes. It's just that this race card bullshit infuriates me more than anything. It's going to bite them in the ass though, because the general population in this country, IMO, are good people and are getting sick of hearing that bullshit.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov And yet still illegal immigrants won't qualify for federal subsidies or programs that grant insurance. You do realize that this is EXACTLY as it stands today, yes? They can "get around things" by getting insurance coverage from their employer? Great, they can do that today too. But they won't receive federal subsidies for it - also EXACTLY as it stands today.

Am I missing something? The CRS states the following: H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange

It will be interesting to see how long the exclusion of illegal aliens from getting the "individual affordability credits" lasts, since as the CRS notes, illegal aliens are subject to the health care mandate. Can't you see the argument coming that if the House bill requires illegals to have qualified health insurance, some accomodation needs to be made for those who can't afford it?

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No. It was childish and wrong then too. Jesus H. Christ on a bike, you're such a partisan apologist.

LOL look who's talking! When are you ever critical of your Lord and Savior in the white house? I'm just pointing out the hypocricy man... Ziptnf appears to be outrageously outraged at such horrible GOP behavior. The memory is short on that guy.

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Originally posted by The17sss Ziptnf appears to be outrageously outraged at such horrible GOP behavior. The memory is short on that guy.

I mean, you're going to tell me that WASN'T outrageous behavior? I don't have the best memory in the world, and I'm not going to make excuses for the Democrats booing Bush, I don't think that's very professional either. I also don't really care for the Democrats hooping and hollering and taunting at the Republicans all the time. Honestly, the applause interruptions are kinda stupid anyways, I don't need the House and Senate to tell me what to approve of.

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Originally posted by ziptnf I mean, you're going to tell me that WASN'T outrageous behavior? I don't have the best memory in the world, and I'm not going to make excuses for the Democrats booing Bush, I don't think that's very professional either. I also don't really care for the Democrats hooping and hollering and taunting at the Republicans all the time. Honestly, the applause interruptions are kinda stupid anyways, I don't need the House and Senate to tell me what to approve of.

not at all man... my first post in this thread started out by saying that SC idiot was, well, an idiot and I absolutely don't condone that disrespectful cat-calling. I also don't like the applause moments after every sentence, while the camera pans the crowd showing judgemental looks on faces. So stupid.

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Originally posted by The17sss not at all man... my first post in this thread started out by saying that SC idiot was, well, an idiot and I absolutely don't condone that disrespectful cat-calling. I also don't like the applause moments after every sentence, while the camera pans the crowd showing judgemental looks on faces. So stupid.

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Originally posted by The17sss Am I missing something? The CRS states the following: H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens—whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently—participating in the Exchange

The Exchange, yes. Which is the forum in which insurance can be purchased. Doesn't involve government activity or subsidization.

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It will be interesting to see how long the exclusion of illegal aliens from getting the "individual affordability credits" lasts, since as the CRS notes, illegal aliens are subject to the health care mandate. Can't you see the argument coming that if the House bill requires illegals to have qualified health insurance, some accomodation needs to be made for those who can't afford it?

Not really, but if that kind of provision arises, you're welcome to oppose it.

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LOL look who's talking! When are you ever critical of your Lord and Savior in the white house? I'm just pointing out the hypocricy man...

All the time, including today in the thread on vetting and yesterday in the thread on health care messaging. You don't pay attention because I'm "on Obama's side" in your mind.

And he may be a Lord and Savior to you, but to me he's just the President we elected to serve the people.

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Obama needs to officially give them the finger and pass his healthcare plan sans any attempt at bipartisanship.

Same goes for the rest of his agenda. Fuck em.

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Originally posted by ******** Seplling don't demonstrate intelligence and educatoin - knowing does.

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Originally posted by Clovis Obama needs to officially give them the finger and pass his healthcare plan sans any attempt at bipartisanship. Same goes for the rest of his agenda. Fuck em.

that's kinda what's happening man. 52% of Americans now oppose the House's health care plan, and he's down with going against the will of the people. It's not like I didn't expect that to happen, but he ran as a centrist with bipartisan spirit in mind.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov The Exchange, yes. Which is the forum in which insurance can be purchased. Doesn't involve government activity or subsidization.

It won't matter when the public option destroys private insurance, as was his stated goal in 2003 and 2007. By default, the government plan will be all there is if he gets his wish and the illegals will get their free shit. Or, we can just wait for him to try and force amnesty which we know is coming, and then suddenly they won't be so illegal anymore.