didn't we go through this like a million times

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Originally posted by Syntonic lol If you really listen to FLAC with some nice phones and listen to WAV or vinyl especially, you'll notice highs are dynamic and lows have warmth.Besides this dumb, if anyone thinks mp3's sound is better is lying or hasn't experienced better.And don't make this into a FLAC thread all I'm saying is there still a good chunk missing from the master

No.

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Who cares? 320kbps mp3 sounds fine as long as you're not a whiny little bitch.

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Originally posted by floyd741 Who cares? 320kbps mp3 sounds fine as long as you're not a whiny little bitch.

lol, I think this should be the finalizing argument henceforth.

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Originally posted by david.michael lol, I think this should be the finalizing argument henceforth.

totally, let's just throw in a

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I'm going to add a couple of the points SCM made over at isra, as this whole thing was his project anyway.

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On 2009-09-10 16:29, subconsciousmind wrote: all rigs very often do not have a good transmission above 15khz. 128kbps can be heard, that is true for sure. there really is a lot missing 320kbps, as good as no chance, anywhere.

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On 2009-09-10 16:39, subconsciousmind wrote: As for the physical sound: if you can tell the difference, which file is the wav? A B C or D? or maybe even which is the 192, 128, 320? The thing is a lot of people are saying "mp3 are bad" but they are either just repeating other peoples words or when speaking from experience are talking about badly converted mp3s or 128kbps mp3s or mp3s that have been reconverted into an mp3 in another bitrate etc. But thats totally missing the point. If an mp3 is properly, professionally encoded a 320kbps mp3 is as good as perfect and noone would ever know. Even 192kbps (which I would never use) is as good as inaudibly different in most environments. all the fuss around the lossless (some even argue about wav or flac) is pointless if noone can tell the difference between a 320kbps and a wav. I encode all my CDs in 320kbps, all my downloads I select 320kbps. Even my unmastered songs I export directly to 320kbps when I need to listen to them im my car to work on the mix. I've tried using wavs for a time.. I didn't notice a difference.

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On 2009-09-10 19:44, subconsciousmind wrote: quote: On 2009-09-10 19:30, Loopfreaks/Electrofreaks wrote: Of course people can’t hear the difference on their bad soundcard on their computer. But test it on a prober rig used at prober parties and you'll notice the difference. with all due respect, but that is nonsense. You are talking as if PAs would be high end speakers. A fine pair of HiFi speakers easily sounds better than most rigs. on most PAs (especially those at psytrance parties) the difference is even smaller. The definition needed to show the difference can almost not be achieved with a speaker for high volumes. Furthermore I've done blind tests with friends here with professional gear from soundcard to speakers. noone could identify the 320kbps so far.

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On 2009-09-11 11:36, subconsciousmind wrote: quote: On 2009-09-11 09:56, The Chilling Spirit wrote: Arrgh, 320kbps MP3 was bloat, is still bloat and will always be bloat. Use -V 0 instead or a better codec (Ogg Vorbis). http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index...le=Lame#Remarks I do not like buying lossy music because than I cannot encode it into other formats without losing a considerable chunk of quality. People who provide 320kbps MP3 have no understood how it works or try to sell snake oil. The reason why I dont use VBR 0 is because some mp3 players use more battery to decode them and some don't even play them or tend to glitch. But Assuming the grafic from your link is correct you are right, in that case the gain in quality for a 320kbps doesn't justify the gain of file size. I didn't know that.

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Originally posted by Cryogen Free LOSSLESS Audio Codec The clue is in the name.

Free???

I dont get it.

Anyway nothing digital is lossless, it cant be. Youll never get a perfect sine with bits and bytes eventhough if u have endless of bitrates and bitdepth. Vinyl will always rule hahaha

and to the guy saying that highs are dynamics and lows are warmth? hahahaha rofl, that made my day. aaaaahahha. im out

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Originally posted by palm Free??? I dont get it.

Yes, the codec is free.

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Anyway nothing digital is lossless, it cant be.

Lossless means no data is lost when copying, transferring, or (in the case of FLAC) in the process of converting. It has nothing to do with the capability or range of a medium.

I'm sure you're just nitpicking for the sake of it, though.

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Originally posted by palm Free??? I dont get it.

It's what FLAC stands for, Free Lossless Audio Codec.

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I can't tell the difference between 320 kbps MP3 and WAV, but I actually have a theory that I notice it on a subconscious level, because it seems like I always get tired of listening to MP3s significantly faster than I get tired of listening to WAVs or CDs.

Maybe just a placebo effect?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Maybe just a placebo effect?

I'd say the Placebo effect definitely plays a part in these situations. Give some people a theoretical difference between 2 audio files and they'll hear it. WAV and FLAC are theoretically different but sound exactly the same. Doesn't stop some hearing a difference.

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