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Originally posted by paulmac thanks derail, appreciate it. but when i asked how to get those sounds what i was really after was if anyone could tell me if there are any tried and tested midi patterns for rolling basslines to program midi into your piano roll. like for example to program in a simple offbeat bassline you just punch in midi notes between the kick. when i hear the term rolling bassline i think of trance sounding like giuseppe ottiviani, and tech trance simon patterson style, is that 'rolling' ? any help would be great

code:

kick: x---x---x---x---
bass: -ooo-ooo-ooo-ooo

Here's some examples:

XbbbXbbbXbbbXbbb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7fkHLZ63gs starts at 1:23.

XbBbXbBbXbBbXbBb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWLCMBKwVrY

XbBbXBbBXbBbXBbB: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMNjA08UW8I starts at :56

XBbBXbBbXBbBXbBb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Bq...feature=related starts at :59

X-bbX-bbX-bbX-bb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvIl...feature=related starts at 1:14

there are a few other variations of rolling basslines as well but these are the ones usually used the most.

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Originally posted by paulmac thanks derail, appreciate it. but when i asked how to get those sounds what i was really after was if anyone could tell me if there are any tried and tested midi patterns for rolling basslines to program midi into your piano roll. like for example to program in a simple offbeat bassline you just punch in midi notes between the kick. when i hear the term rolling bassline i think of trance sounding like giuseppe ottiviani, and tech trance simon patterson style, is that 'rolling' ? any help would be great

Well, with an offbeat pattern it's easy - there's only one option, the bass between each kick. You can vary the note length, timbre etc, but an offbeat bass is an offbeat bass. Rolling basslines, there are many, many possibilities - some of them span a few octaves. Some people in this thread are now providing some examples of rolling basslines, and they're a great start if you've never created any, but unless you want to create extremely generic trance you'll want to expand your choices further than "okay, here are my main 5 rolling bassline patterns, I'll pick the one that fits best". Arpeggiators are handy, because you can have heaps of patterns in there - say, a hundred or more. You'll notice some just groove extremely well for a given song, in a way you may not have composed yourself.

Or you could tap/ sing a rhythmic pattern over the main bassline, then enter that pattern in a step sequencer. Whatever works for you.

(edit - I don't mean to say that some patterns will make your songs sound generic - there are many aspects to originality, and sometimes a rolling bassline which has been used in many other songs will fit perfectly in your current song, and will sound fresh. Don't avoid certain patterns just because they have been used before.)

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Above & Beyond does use a very simple *SOUNDING* approach, but I guarantee what they're doing isn't simple. Most of their mid basses sound like simple saw waves, but I'm yet to find one osc from any softsynth that sounds like the saws they're using. The character is just completely different, but also very clean sounding, which makes me think they're not using softsynths at all. Nor have I ever heard a saw tooth bassline preset that even comes close to resembling their saws. Gotta be a virus or andromeda their using. I use z3ta and sylenth for most my bass and always find them missing essential saw tooth character I hear in other trance songs. And what I mean by that is if you don't have the money to afford a nice piece of hardware, you're most likely going to lose yourself in a maze of layering with softsynths, continually tweaking, layering, and delivering less then satisfactory sounds.

This post truly resonates with me.

This is exactly what I'm finding.

I am never happy with my bass, and I've been into deep editing synths a long time, but I sold my lovely hard synths a few years back when first child came along, and picked up again more recenlty but this time having all soft synths, except a Roland Fantom8. Mmm maybe I need to try the basses outa the Roland but I'm thinking they're only software alogorythms, so maybe no better than a softsynth.

Above&Beyond basses seem to have this character I cannot get outa sylenth et al. Daniel Kandi's stuff again has a very warm, clear bass, yet people say he's all software (Reason I think)

I recently read A&B 'S OWN THREAD where they say they're really a hardware outfit and also have now got a desk (a soundcraft ghost I think). Thier synths include the Yamaha AN1X digital synth grrrrrr, one of the hardware ones I sold! Also the Roland that was an analogue emulation - I forget which it was, think it came out in the late 90s.

I'm thinking of getting a mopho or tetra for exmas, cause this bass thing is the thing holding me back most and actualy driving me midly crazy.

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Last edited by Richard Butler on Oct-03-2009 at 09:43

have you checked out the minimonsta? it's the best sounding soft synth for bass i have heard.

i've also heard Dcam synth squad is amazing for bass, and of course there is always the new spectrasonics program that is the updated trilogy which is still a beast.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley have you checked out the minimonsta? it's the best sounding soft synth for bass i have heard. i've also heard Dcam synth squad is amazing for bass, and of course there is always the new spectrasonics program that is the updated trilogy which is still a beast.

Cheers for those recs.

Minimonsta I've not tried because I read some adverse comments about the sound quality.

DCAM - the demos on thier FXPANSION website are like 1970's Rick Wakeman affairs, not very inspiring or indicative. Hva ebeen thinking a while to get the DCAM synthsquad, but my gut instinct put's me off - as I think 4 synths for £150 is like a jack of all trades - perhaps better to get say subboombass which is 1 synth for £80. Confusing really.

Trilogy I don't know about - can you just buy it standalone or is it part of some platform of something?

My mind at the moment is thinking of getting something like DSI mopho for key bass duties.

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cheers for all the info guys this stuff really helps out alot!

Id say layer but dont go to overboard.

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As someone fairly new at producing I've found that layering helps a lot if only for the mental factor. When I layer I really think about what kind of sound I want in each layer and slowly shape my sound. When I try to use one synth to do it all I always end up just fiddling with controls until I stumble upon something somewhat close.