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MrJiveBoJingles
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Postmodern literature is generally very easy to read, in my experience, and often very funny and playful.

I agree, which was the reason for my clarification.

See, I've read Nietzsche and Heidegger (who is also a big slog) and still haven't find Foucault or Derrida very worthwhile. Maybe you can direct me to something of theirs that you find insightful?

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NeoPhono
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Orson Scott Card

not that i have anything to compare his writing to. i just like Ender's Game.


Too bad he's an ultra-religious douche.

I think Ray Bradbury has excellent style, although I tend to prefer more "hard" sci-fi. I think Arthur C. Clarke is a good middle ground (for me).

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SYSTEM-J
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I can't say I enjoy reading Derrida. In fact, if I hadn't had lecturers explain what he meant, I probably still wouldn't have a fucking clue how deconstruction works.

Foucault, however, I found pretty insightful. "Discipline and Punishment: The Birth of the Prison" is a very interesting and accurate explanation of how law, control and surveillence work in society. It makes 1984 seem like the paper-thin pop theory it actually is.


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MrJiveBoJingles
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I have a "clue" how deconstruction works in the sense that I have read summaries of deconstructive ideas and figures by people who know a lot more about them than I probably ever will. But if you gave me an actual example of a "deconstruction" of a work, I doubt I could get much out of it, and never did when I tried to read Derrida's takes on Levi-Strauss, Marx, or whomever.

I've seen that Foucault book recommended before and will have a look at it.

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Man, I need to get more into literature.

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MrJiveBoJingles
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Man, I need to get more into literature.

Why do you say that?

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Because I have no idea about 80% of what you guys are discussing, and reading is cool!

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Man, I need to get more into literature.

Nerd! *punch*


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Lira
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quote:
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I agree, which was the reason for my clarification.

See, I've read Nietzsche and Heidegger (who is also a big slog) and still haven't find Foucault or Derrida very worthwhile. Maybe you can direct me to something of theirs that you find insightful?

God, I bloody hate Nietzsche's style. As for Martin, I once read a book in which Heidegger talked about language with a Japanese scholar, and it was so appalling I flung my photocopies across the room - I like his ideas when they're not even wrong, but it was so egregious I couldn't go any further.

As for Foucault, I started reading a book of his but the reading was so sluggish I eventually put it down (I'm building up the courage to read it again). And, as for Derrida, he's fun as hell! And by fun, I mean random and nonsensical: If old age had not failed to kill De Saussure, I'm sure Derrida would eventually do that

Edit: I've got some Merleau-Ponty in my reading list. Ever read anything written by him, Brian?


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Try Ursula le Guin.

The Lathe of Heaven was amazing. Definitely recommend it.


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Man, I need to get more into literature.

Most of the time I read literature, I regret it. Dostoevsky is one of the very few authors that don't make me feel like I'm wasting my time. Kafka is sort of amusing too. I think I only read Siddharta (by Hesse) and 1984 (by Orwells) because I wanted to understand why it is that Hesse got a bloody nobel prize and Orwells is so famous.

But, to no avail. I think I now know what it feels like to be a crack whore trying to get pumped up with coffee... or something


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SYSTEM-J
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But, to no avail. I think I now know what it feels like to be a crack whore trying to get pumped up with coffee... or something


You're Doing It Wrong.


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