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Originally posted by tehlord I still don't see why the Virus software can only open as a single MIDI routable VST though. I'd much prefer to be able to open multiple VST windows up for my convenience.

USB1.1 limitation? I'm surprised that the TI2s didn't utilize USB2 or FW.

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Yeah true the TI feature is useful. But probably not that much more amazing than an editor or the external instruments feature that comes with some DAWs.

I don't see why the lack of extra VST windows would be a consequence of USB 1.1 considering that your not asking for anymore bandwidth from the buss, only changing the interface. Its theoretically quite possible, but probably would introduce more bugs.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Yeah true the TI feature is useful. But probably not that much more amazing than an editor or the external instruments feature that comes with some DAWs. I don't see why the lack of extra VST windows would be a consequence of USB 1.1 considering that your not asking for anymore bandwidth from the buss, only changing the interface. Its theoretically quite possible, but probably would introduce more bugs.

About a year ago I finally figured out how to use the External Instruments feature in Cubase SX 3. I don't see a need for ANY instrument to have "Total Integration". All the problems the TI has had show that it's simply not worth the hassle. A VSTi interface controlled through USB is useful, but having the audio go through USB as well just complicates things WAY too much. The only nice part is that you don't need all the cables or a decent audio interface. Maybe that's what they had in mind, though.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley I heard Ford's T model was quite good too.

all the newer staple synths were released around this time of the Q and the pulse so i'm not quite sure what your point is. There really hasn't been any advances in hardware synths since. Perhaps had you been around and your experience with synths extends past the VIRUS TI , you would understand what I was talking about.

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Originally posted by RichieV all the newer staple synths were released around this time of the Q and the pulse so i'm not quite sure what your point is. There really hasn't been any advances in hardware synths since. Perhaps had you been around and your experience with synths extends past the VIRUS TI , you would understand what I was talking about.

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Originally posted by cryophonik USB1.1 limitation? I'm surprised that the TI2s didn't utilize USB2 or FW.

I can't see that being the issue as all I wanted to see was seperately openeable VST wrappers, not more audio coming down the cable. You can still theoretically run 16 channels of audio from the virus but I found the single VST wrapper frustrating as I couldn't do exactly what I wanted with each and every channel. Inevitably if I used more than the 4 available audio outs via USB then channels had to be doubled up.

Still, I've just re-discovered Massive. Delicious.

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Originally posted by alanzo About a year ago I finally figured out how to use the External Instruments feature in Cubase SX 3. I don't see a need for ANY instrument to have "Total Integration". All the problems the TI has had show that it's simply not worth the hassle. A VSTi interface controlled through USB is useful, but having the audio go through USB as well just complicates things WAY too much. The only nice part is that you don't need all the cables or a decent audio interface. Maybe that's what they had in mind, though.

I really think that if DAWs got their act together and allowed support of multiple audio interfaces (STABLY!) at a time, then instrument makers could just send out the audio over USB and not have to worry about making their own interfaces and stuff. I think Access was simply being too ambitious and in the end stuffed up hugely.

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The windows environment just does not allow or support that (unless you use asio4all). Mac is capable of doing this natively.

Some devices allow multiple interfaces to be accessed as if it is one device. I think the Audiofire soundcards do .

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Agreed. I really don't understand this either. To me, as a consumer, I find things like the Virus TI amazingly good for reasons that I think many others do but don't talk about. The first, and most important (other than the sound), is the processor relief. I don't understand why companies don't make things like Tone2's Gladiator. There are literally hundreds of soft synths with a select few doing some very neat and impressive things. Why not put them in a box, get a little intuitive, and put a product out?

Great. Another Fucking DSP synth. Just what we need

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Originally posted by Storyteller The windows environment just does not allow or support that (unless you use asio4all). Mac is capable of doing this natively. Some devices allow multiple interfaces to be accessed as if it is one device. I think the Audiofire soundcards do .

I know all that. But I think we need a new type of device driver. ASIO is shit.

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