Is it just me, or is it mostly a fashion statement to bitch about how much every person's favorite genre sucks and keeps getting suckier? That's not aimed at anyone in particular, but it seems that every forum I've been on for as long I can remember has people comlaining incessantly about how much their favorite genre sucks, is being destroyed by a handful of "sellouts", keeps getting worse, etc.

I hope I never I get so old that I can't appreciate new music.

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Last edited by cryophonik on Jan-06-2010 at 07:36

I agree with some of you here.

That's why you need to keep some things in mind. As many say, everyone now is a "musician" because they draw notes on a computer screen using cracked software without even knowing what they're doing, and those fearless people whore themselves out.

No panic though, for those reasons:

1°) the transition period is almost over, and a new business model is slowly rising into our community. Of course we'll have to adapt ourselves and whore ourselves a little bit more if we want to get a little bit result.

2°) Labels started releasing less music in some cases, going for personal taste first.

3°) The new decade is being seen by many as the decade of performing. Until now, we were manufacturing dance music, it's about time to come out and PLAY it LIVE. I think many don't realize how much impact it will have on the electronic music culture and scenes in the next few years.

And don't worry, only the surface of things keeps getting worse because we all are into niche markets right now and we only see those whoring more than the good ones. Some go to the right and some others go leftfield, while there's a highway in the middle... Let's accept the transition and move on!

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Originally posted by cryophonik Is it just me, or is it mostly a fashion statement to bitch about how much every person's favorite genre sucks and keeps getting suckier? That's not aimed at anyone in particular, but it seems that every forum I've been on for as long I can remember has people comlaining incessantly about how much their favorite genre sucks, is being destroyed by a handful of "sellouts", keeps getting worse, etc. I hope I never I get so old that I can't appreciate new music.

Try living in the UK

What you described is now a national sport.

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Originally posted by Lolo 3°) The new decade is being seen by many as the decade of performing. Until now, we were manufacturing dance music, it's about time to come out and PLAY it LIVE. I think many don't realize how much impact it will have on the electronic music culture and scenes in the next few years.

Any ideas on how to achieve this from a technical standpoint?

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Originally posted by tehlord What you described is now a national sport.

My brother-in-law has a family in the UK. He tells me that bitching about football (soccer, not the US kind) is the unofficial national sport.

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I think the rise of mp3 distribution has changed the way labels release music. Pressing vinyl was expensive and required a serious decision on what to release where as mp3s that don't sell well don't necessarily cost money. The result is a market flooded with bad music. I think the net amount of good music is still consistent but it seems lower with all the crap diluting the music pool.

This is why:

http://tranceaddict.com/forums/show...3&forumid=48&s=

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Originally posted by cryophonik Is it just me, or is it mostly a fashion statement to bitch about how much every person's favorite genre sucks and keeps getting suckier?

Well if it's worth anything, I seem to be one of the few people here that actually enjoys modern trance.

Really, though, trance has been around for over 20 years, why are people continuing to act surprised that it's no longer the same as it was in the 90's? Look at how much rock changed in 20 years, you went from Frampton and The Beatles and groups like that in the 60's to alternative, punk and heavy metal coming out in the late 70's/early 80's. It was all under the same umbrella genre of rock, but people probably thought The Ramones and The Misfits were destroying what "true" rock was of their time, even though they're both still very influential bands. And the differences from then to now, things have constantly changed, but has it all been for the worse?

I'm just using rock as a relatable example, but why is trance so different? Why can't people just acknowledge that the genres and the sounds are changing without first saying that what it used to be was inherently better?

Didn't mean to derail whatever this thread was about, but that's been something I've been thinking about for a while.

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I especially agree with Kysora - music is constantly changing, as are people's tastes. I think nostalgia has a lot to do with it - people want to constantly re-experience that nostalgic feeling they got when they first got excited about a particular style, and they get disappointed when their genre evolves beyond it, they get too comfortable with the genre, and they can't get that experience back. That's just an educated guess, but it definitely applies to me.

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It seems to me that there's just less and less variety available as time goes on. Back in the day you could go to a party and there would be 7 different flavors of house, hard trance, prog trance, psy-trance, minimal techno, drum and bass (tech-step, dark-core, ragga) happy hardcore, regular hardcore, hard techno on the main stage at peak-time, and so on.

Now apparently the only genres that exist are fruit trance, minimal, electro and dub-step. And these genres are pigeonholed to sound indistinguishable from one track to the next.

I have to imagine the availability of music available at parties doesn't really reflect how much music really is out there, but I get your point.

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Originally posted by cryophonik I think nostalgia has a lot to do with it - people want to constantly re-experience that nostalgic feeling they got when they first got excited about a particular style, and they get disappointed when their genre evolves beyond it, they get too comfortable with the genre, and they can't get that experience back.

Pretty much. The really uncomfortable thing about it to me is how people reflect their own individual tastes about trance as the collective idea of what trance is and what it should be. Music doesn't even seem to work on an individual level anymore, people are always arguing about where the genre is going and if it's past its prime, but really, those arguments never go anywhere specifically because people don't listen to music for those reasons. They listen to the music they listen to because they enjoy it and nobody should try to convince them that they're wrong for doing so.

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Originally posted by Kysora I have to imagine the availability of music available at parties doesn't really reflect how much music really is out there, but I get your point.

It reflects what promoters are comfortable with, which reflects what labels are comfortable signing, which reflects their idea of what people want to hear.

Last edited by meriter on Jan-06-2010 at 17:16