quote:

Originally posted by WittyHandle The only reason the WW2 generation was so tough was because they had to be. People don't do that by choice. It would take much more than the economic situation we're in now to get America back to that point.

And I agree. Having said that, I still feel as though this nation is entirely far too lazy, spoonfed, and butthurt when it gets told the brutal truth/reality than it should be, and that's more of what I feel as though he was getting at.

It's too bad that the White House has been emblematic of that of late. There's a 59-41 advantage in the Senate still - rhetoric is nice, but flex a little muscle, Mr. President.

___________________

+1

quote:

Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN did you really feel obama was capable of making such a change to the political establishment in the US? Ive said it before and ill say it now- nobody is capable of being significantly progressive as a united states president. That horse bolted so long ago its not funny. As a president, you are either right-wing or extreme right-wing. Its disappointing, but id be levelling my disappointment at the established political system (even moreso now since the SC’s recent decision) rather than in the direction of any particular individual. Move somewhere nicer, with gun restrictions, public healthcare, public electoral funds, compulsory voting. Oh, and drop bears

Obama is right wing?

Really?



Really?

quote:

Originally posted by Nostalgic Obama is right wing? Really? Really?

not obama personally perhaps, but that's not what we're talking about. his presidency (and all US presidencies) is right-wing. that's just the state of american politics.

quote:

Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Fucking Republicans are so god damn self centered. These are good ideas and they just sit there opposing them on vindictive attitudes and stubbornness than any real material reason.

Or maybe on the fact that we're spending ourselves into oblivion.

Perhaps that is true, but that is by no means a new development with this administration. I think pkc is completey right (heh) - sure does smell like status quo around here and the only thing you can wash that out with is cat piss.

___________________
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

quote:

Originally posted by The17sss Or maybe on the fact that we're spending ourselves into oblivion.

I think he addressed that.

quote:

Originally posted by WittyHandle I think he addressed that.

the laughter that came from the chamber when he mentioned a (paltry) spending freeze was entertaining. Flashback to the campaign in 2008: Obama blasts McCain's suggestion of a spending freeze as "draconian".

Blah blah blah, these were times blah blah blah America prevailed blah blah again we are tested blah blah blah I took over the economy on the verge of blah blah so we stole trillions blah blah blah..

___________________
Wave is to particle as zero is to one as bagpipes are to modem noises.

quote:

Originally posted by The17sss the laughter that came from the chamber when he mentioned a (paltry) spending freeze was entertaining. Flashback to the campaign in 2008: Obama blasts McCain's suggestion of a spending freeze as "draconian".

Listen, we are fucked either way, the US is going to come out of the crisis it is in a much much much weaker state than it has been in the last 150 years. The question is how far down we go.

Spending into oblivion is bad, but we are already fucked there, a few trillion more here and there is NOT going to make it much more drastically worse in terms of our national debt and budget deficit. Like I said, we are already fucked. At this point rational people like Obama and his advisors are going "how do we control the damage." No one wants to come out and say "we are fucked" but it is the truth and what we are essentially doing right now is triage and determining how many limbs we need to amputate to save the place. What Obama and crew are trying to do is that when we do amputate we only have to cut off one leg, not both.

In business terms maybe this will make more sense Kevin: "You have to spend money to make money." That goes for the feds to.

Of course if the economy does recover and we have a booming economy we'd still be fucked by the Republican parties economic policies because we can't tax any of that wealth. Nope, no money for the government ever.

Like I said, we are fucked. Its just how much can we salvage when we do hit rock bottom.

Sorry for being totally depressing but if you have a better way of describing the path that we are on then by all means explain.