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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 - Experiment with square and saw combinations, be careful of sine cause it takes up a tonne of headroom up easily.

how could sine take up more headroom then other waveforms? there's no harmonics present. i would have thought using sine waves would allow more space in your mix, rather then causing headroom issues.

that being said, i rarely use sines as they tend to sound a little lifeless

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Originally posted by Lyft how could sine take up more headroom then other waveforms? there's no harmonics present. i would have thought using sine waves would allow more space in your mix, rather then causing headroom issues.

Headroom is about amplitude, not frequency. Sine waves might not take up a much space in the frequency spectrum, but try playing a sine wave at C1 and see how much amplitude it has in the low end.

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Originally posted by Eric J Headroom is about amplitude, not frequency. Sine waves might not take up a much space in the frequency spectrum, but try playing a sine wave at C1 and see how much amplitude it has in the low end.

Yup, this pretty much. Sine is deceptive. has it's uses of course, and never shy from trying it, but just watch your volume!

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Hey guys,

Okay so for basslines..

i do use a lot of sounds to layer up, usually anywhere from 4-6 total to make up bass parts of my track... But don't let this confuse you at all.. it really is not too bad.... there is always only ONE SUB bass part. I actually USUALLY use novation v-station for this, as it sounds great when u get that filter cutoff down pretty low, and its got a real nice bass end if you up the resonance a little bit.

For all the other parts, these are to support that sub bass, and provide more rhythm and texture (A lot of my basses lately are no longer offbeat so it depends on which project you are looking for). Great synths for texture are Vanguard (this is really the ONLY thing I even use vanguard for, because it has a unique texture and I actually kinda hate it for anything else), V-station (has some nice bite when you eq it right), and now I am using the Virus TI for a lot more of the "mid-bass" duties.

SIdechain ALL you basses... that really is the most important thing to having a big bass sound BUT ALSO to be able to get cracked in the head by the kick drum... a lot of times I hear tracks where the producer has not sidechained his bass synths, and the track will greatly suffer...

I hope this helps guys!! I friend of mine showed me this thread so I hope it does point you in the right direction!

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Originally posted by seantyas Hey guys, Okay so for basslines.. i do use a lot of sounds to layer up, usually anywhere from 4-6 total to make up bass parts of my track... But don't let this confuse you at all.. it really is not too bad.... there is always only ONE SUB bass part. I actually USUALLY use novation v-station for this, as it sounds great when u get that filter cutoff down pretty low, and its got a real nice bass end if you up the resonance a little bit. For all the other parts, these are to support that sub bass, and provide more rhythm and texture (A lot of my basses lately are no longer offbeat so it depends on which project you are looking for). Great synths for texture are Vanguard (this is really the ONLY thing I even use vanguard for, because it has a unique texture and I actually kinda hate it for anything else), V-station (has some nice bite when you eq it right), and now I am using the Virus TI for a lot more of the "mid-bass" duties. SIdechain ALL you basses... that really is the most important thing to having a big bass sound BUT ALSO to be able to get cracked in the head by the kick drum... a lot of times I hear tracks where the producer has not sidechained his bass synths, and the track will greatly suffer... I hope this helps guys!! I friend of mine showed me this thread so I hope it does point you in the right direction!

And... We got the answer already!!
And Sean if you are listening , I really really love "I Remember Now" , It's just so epic sounding!!

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THANK YOUU!!!!!!! That bassline however, is mostly ES2's layered

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Originally posted by seantyas THANK YOUU!!!!!!! That bassline however, is mostly ES2's layered

Not surprised , I have heard that you highly regarded the ES2

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Love it but i really wish they would make an es3 already.. the thing is now about 6-7 years old or so i think

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hey thanks sean (its my thread) its nice to ask how to do something like someone then have them answer it!

Just started listening to your tracks real good stuff.

So are you just playing several different patches using 16th patterns? And are you doubling up two patches playing the same pattern, or are they all slightly different?

Nice one man

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Originally posted by IceColdWater IMO , having a great mid bass isn't very important. What is more important , is that you have a great sub bass that rolls along with the kick. I mean , look at Aly & Fila. Many of his tracks is dominated by that Sub Bass that they use frequently. And I find that , what makes a song more interesting in terms of basslines , is the presence of moving acid lines or screaming FM basslines , instead of those mid basses.

This is very true and I was gonna add a section about this in my perpetually unfinished bass tut. I have a great example of this where artist use a very plain & grooveless mid bass but use the sub to add the entire groove and drive to the track.
Although some of the subs in the sample I have are impossible to make.
I have no idea wtf oscillators are being used but the subs sound like hi voltage sparks edited to groove, not some low freq sine wav. Going to check out Aly & Fila now to see if its anything like what I'm talking about..

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what does this mean?

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox hi voltage sparks edited to groove,

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Originally posted by Aesthetic what does this mean?

It sounds like a type of noise mangled together with another oscillator (would assume saw due to the high harmonic content although it doesn't sound typical of any saw wave), almost impossible to describe but it resembles the sound of very high voltage sparks hitting in quick succession on a defined pitch. Almost like if you lfo'd a filter over noise and you get that brash hardstyle sound (which people like to layer over slow attack basses for hardstyle) But if it is noise responsible for the harmonics I'd love to know how its done.

Its quite possibly one of the most harmonic bass sounds I've ever heard, but at the same time doesn't sound like any of the conventional saw type layered basses. I'm gonna get a sample up cause I have a feeling I'm describing it terribly.. I've been dying to know how its done myself.

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Main FXs GTs - Waves Plugins, Soundtoys, Volcano, FL Native FX.
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