Yeah, sorry to all about not giving up the label or what not, it's not about protecting the label for me, it's about protecting myself.

However, i do promise that if the deal doesnt go through in the end...within 2 weeks ill come back and reply with the label. I just dont want to screw it over right now until i see where this goes.

yes i understand that you don't want to throw it to the bin because you didn't shut up well... good luck, the label concept it's completely overrated in trance nowadays, if it is cookie cutter is because of this policies.

Anyone know where you can find a list of all good trance labels and links to their demo submission page

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd Anyone know where you can find a list of all good trance labels and links to their demo submission page

dude... how lazy are you? you'll spend 100hrs on a record but won't spend 10minutes to find the labels you'd like to send it to?

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Originally posted by orTofønChiLd Anyone know where you can find a list of all good trance labels and links to their demo submission page

trance.nu had a thread listing tons of labels and demo information but...

Yeah its better to find the info on your own. Go for the labels you really wanna be a part of, and don't just send the same email to all of them.

Trust me...they notice...and it goes a long way to be a bit more personal about it.

Haven't read the whole thread but here's my take on the situation.

If you put your foot down and tell them that you want it released as is, you run the risk of them releasing it, but not promoting it like they should. They might just not release it at all. I'm betting that you didn't get paid an advance in your contract, or even get an assurance in the contract that the track would be made available, which means it could just be thrown in the bin completely. After all, they didn't pay an advance, they have no incentive to release it, they haven't spent any money on it.

If you try to send the track to another label, chances are the label you've already signed with will try to block the release on the basis that they have distribution rights.

If you choose to bow to their pressure and change the track, you might get the release, but it sounds like the people you're dealing with are incredibly unprofessional, and you probably don't want people like that representing you on your first release IMO, because they'll fuck it up some way or other. And you run the risk of them being as incompetant at promoting a track as they are at signing one.

So your stuffed every which way.

If I were you, I'd try to either get them to tear up the contract completely, so that you're free to sign to another label. They aren't obligated to, but they might just do it if you phrase the request in the right way. I'd suggest to them politely that they scrap the release completely and you might come back to it in a year or so and send it to them again. And tell them that you'll give them another track to release at a later date.

If they won't come to the party, I'd go along with what they say, because you have no choice. And then I'd tell all my friends what ****s they are.

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Nah, this doesn't sound like "bad label management" at all.

I'm not uptight about my music, so I like it when labels actually care about the music they put out. Them coaching you and coming with creative feedback most likely indicates that they're actually going to back you.

I take it that you're quite new to releasing music on good labels? If you had some releases under your belt, you'd know that alot of labels just let tracks "do their magic" on their own and don't push it at all. Having the label put some extra effort into finalizing the track means that they're more invested and will put more effort into pushing your track since they truly believe in it.

And man, just stop it. "So many problems"? You should quit the 'biz right now if you think these are problems. You won't cut it. This isn't a problem - You're being offered a service that people in any other field would call "creative consulting" and it's a quite expensive one too.

Just add the new lead, the label just wants the track to be less repetetive so they can pitch it better during listening sessions.

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it all depends if the additional lead does something or completely ruins the track, in my case i said no because they wanted to leave the simplest melody, and i spent several hours writing the melody for that particular track, people loved it and didn't want to throw it to the bin because of someones taste.

I think for a label to ask you to change certain parts, add leads etc etc is absolutely fine.

I don't think it is okay though when they do this AFTER they have signed your tune. To me, if they sign it, it should mean they like it as it is (apart from minor mixing tweaks and mastering). If they want significant changes to the tracks composition, they should tell you this upfront and then it is up to you whether to make the changes and sign it to them or ignore them and go elsewhere.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 dude... how lazy are you? you'll spend 100hrs on a record but won't spend 10minutes to find the labels you'd like to send it to?

yeah i only know like 4 and none of them responded

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Originally posted by Number2 trance.nu had a thread listing tons of labels and demo information but... Yeah its better to find the info on your own. Go for the labels you really wanna be a part of, and don't just send the same email to all of them. Trust me...they notice...and it goes a long way to be a bit more personal about it.

if you have the link that would be tremendous

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Originally posted by spazztick And man, just stop it. "So many problems"? You should quit the 'biz right now if you think these are problems. You won't cut it. This isn't a problem - You're being offered a service that people in any other field would call "creative consulting" and it's a quite expensive one too. Just add the new lead, the label just wants the track to be less repetetive so they can pitch it better during listening sessions.

No, adding more production after I was asked to send "masters" IS a problem. If this was before, it might be a different story.

I think you took what i wrote the wrong way about "so many problems", yes I am new at this, but I know when I'm being pushed around, and this just isn't right.

Like other posters have said, if they wanted stuff changed, it should have been stated before mastering/signing the contract.

As far as the track being repetitive...you don't know that it is, or isn't so you cant make that judgement. The lead I have playing at that section only plays for 16 bars before they want me to add yet another lead ontop.

And as ive said already, i have ALOT going on at that point, and it does sound...way cluttered.