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100F
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if the only thing you want is to split lows and highs transparently and then process each band separately i would recomend cocos reacomp...

its a multiband compresor... but you could split bands surgically... and then treat each band acordingly...

it is free btw...

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Richard Butler
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I need edjucatin here folks.

Do you use a quality EQ on every channel?

At the mo I just use those in C5 on each lane - occasionaly I may drop in the TRACS Linear phase EQ but I couldn't imagine using it on every lane.

Or are you talking mastering here?

I do notice the cubase5 EQ on kicks often leads to boxiness and harshness - or is my ears.

Surely an eq is 'just' a little shaving device to take away certain freqs - does it really matter what you use then? Isn't taking about say everything under 260 hz going to sound the same no matter what shaving device is used?


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In most cases the difference will very close to 0 when using a VST eq. There are quite some tests online where boosting and cutting with different vsts null. That means they produce identical results with identical settings.

Some eq's do add some colour though.


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G-Con
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Would somebody who owns a few of the popular eq's be able to use each one to the same settings on a variety of sounds (bass, lead, pad, vocal) and post the results here so we could do a blind test or something.

Would be interesting to hear the so-called differences and just how noticeable they are.

Oh and Kitphillips, does your post about them all sounding the same not contradict that video you posted a few weeks back showing the mastering house that had problems with most cheap eq's adding noise to the kick. Do you remember the video I'm referring to?

EDIT: Just read Storytellers post so some tests have been done. Would still like to hear some examples, especially by those who swear blind that a certain EQ is the dogs nuts.


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quote:
Originally posted by G-Con
Would somebody who owns a few of the popular eq's be able to use each one to the same settings on a variety of sounds (bass, lead, pad, vocal) and post the results here so we could do a blind test or something.

Would be interesting to hear the so-called differences and just how noticeable they are.

Oh and Kitphillips, does your post about them all sounding the same not contradict that video you posted a few weeks back showing the mastering house that had problems with most cheap eq's adding noise to the kick. Do you remember the video I'm referring to?

EDIT: Just read Storytellers post so some tests have been done. Would still like to hear some examples, especially by those who swear blind that a certain EQ is the dogs nuts.


A good EQ IMO is transparent, flexible, intuitive, resource-friendly, stable, and has some "bonus features", like independent L/R, multiple modes, etc. Aside from transparency, the "sound" of an EQ has little to do with it IMO. An good workhorse EQ should not impart any audible color to the sound of the track just by its presence (i.e., all bands zeroed), and it sure as hell shouldn't be adding any noise.

And, yes, if I posted 10 different tracks with the same settings on 10 different EQs, you would probably hear some differences due to the different algorithms used in each, any color imparted by the EQ, etc. But, that's a useless test IMO - the real test is whether or not the user can get a desired result with a given EQ. And, I contend that most EQs probably will get the job done in the majority of cases, so the real differences lie in the characteristics that I mentioned in my first sentence.


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G-Con
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Originally posted by cryophonik
A good EQ IMO is transparent, flexible, intuitive, resource-friendly, stable, and has some "bonus features", like independent L/R, multiple modes, etc. Aside from transparency, the "sound" of an EQ has little to do with it IMO. An good workhorse EQ should not impart any audible color to the sound of the track just by its presence (i.e., all bands zeroed), and it sure as hell shouldn't be adding any noise.

And, yes, if I posted 10 different tracks with the same settings on 10 different EQs, you would probably hear some differences due to the different algorithms used in each, any color imparted by the EQ, etc. But, that's a useless test IMO - the real test is whether or not the user can get a desired result with a given EQ. And, I contend that most EQs probably will get the job done in the majority of cases, so the real differences lie in the characteristics that I mentioned in my first sentence.


Okay, but then apart from any special features that certain EQ's may have, what you seem to be implying is that most Eq's are pretty much just as good as each other for basic Eq tasks (cutting and boosting). Some may impart a certain character which the user may or may not like but ultimately there is no need to spend any significant money on an EQ as both clean and colourful eq's are available at all price brackets.


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The way I personally look at it is like this - EQ is the most-used plugin in any of my projects, and I think that I can safely assume that the same is true for nearly every producer. With that in mind, I don't mind spending extra money on a good EQ, knowing that it will get far more use than something like an equally priced synth would. Yes, I can get the same EQing result I want with Cakewalk's Sonitus EQ (a very good EQ and bundle in its own right), but an EQ like Pro-Q has more bands than I'll ever need, plus all the litte extras that make it easier for me to use and give me more options than the Sonitus EQ does.


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Originally posted by cryophonik
FabFilter Pro-Q

No coloring of sound, just precise and VERY full-featured, yet easy on the CPU and stable.

http://www.fabfilter.com/products/pro-q.php


Idk if its just me, but when I load it to about 25 channels, my cpu starts slowing down. Not the same with pram EQ2 tho.

Any way around this, other than buying new parts(which I am getting)


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Idk if its just me, but when I load it to about 25 channels, my cpu starts slowing down. Not the same with pram EQ2 tho.

Any way around this, other than buying new parts(which I am getting)


Are you running them in zero-latency mode, or linear phase mode? Linear phase mode will eat up a lot of CPU.


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Now see, this is the sort of thread I can sink my teeth into.

There are several types of EQs. Each designed with a different set of priorities.

Minimum phase, which is what most DAWs ship with, is a straight forward boring old EQ, which is designed to have as little impact on the phase of the material as possible, but doesn't do any magic with it like the linear phase EQ does. Linear phase EQs are designed to have effectively zero phase shift, but they actually just move half the phase shift forward in time, so they do so at the expense of preringing, which means that you might hear a bit of the signal before it actually is meant to occur, this smears transients sometimes. They also can't be 0 latency because of the way that they shift the signal forward to eliminate phasing problems.

Some EQs have both settings like the pro q, so you can select which option you want. Minimum phase 0 latency for tracking, linear phase for mastering, maybe, if you like having fucked up transients. Without going into the details, there are some times when linear phase EQs can smear transients less, so they can be appropriate.

As well as the minimum phase/linear distinction, some EQs have added character features, like some distortion, boosts/cuts at certain frequencies etc.

Another class of Features to watch out for are those EQs with M/S features, those EQs need to be run in linear phase mode, or you'll get weird L/R phase issues apparently.

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Butler
Do you use a quality EQ on every channel?

on every channel might yield benefits in terms of making the whole mix more cohesive. Every channel will have the same little bit of distortion etc on it, so it might make all the sources sound like they're coming from the same place more, which is something people working ITB often complain that their mixes lack. On the other hand, not every character EQ will suit every mix, so they aren't as versatile.

Other than that, most minimum phase digital EQs do null, so if you just want to chop up frequencies in a really straight way without any character, and aren't interested in phase considerations, then it doesn't matter which EQ you pick.

quote:
Originally posted by G-Con
Oh and Kitphillips, does your post about them all sounding the same not contradict that video you posted a few weeks back showing the mastering house that had problems with most cheap eq's adding noise to the kick. Do you remember the video I'm referring to?


Yeah I do... Mmm... I'm not expert here, but I think the point that the video showed was that you should be careful of phase considerations when making large boosts/cuts in the bass. I don't think there are any EQs which can really avoid that issue, even analogue EQs shift phase AFAIK.

Point is, a linear phase EQ will smear the transient, but a normal EQ willl shift the phase backwards, so its really just a matter of choosing if you want the transient smeared or the end of the sound smeared. But EQs of the same family (linear/non linear) will null, excepting some certain character things which might be included.

Could be totally wrong about that of course, but thats how I understand it.


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