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Originally posted by Mad for Brad it was about 2 and a half years ago for me so my entry into the industry was quite recent. Not much has changed. You've just heard from 2 people that work in these environments. We aren't lying to you. We aren't trying to discourage you. it is just the way it is. I don't know what else I can say. Everything I say is concerning these days as in today. And tomorrow. And probably next week. Were do you get this overarching idea that things work differently ? Do you realize what the placement percentage for these schools are ? Pretty much approaching the asymptote. Last time I checked, I am living in 2010. I'm pretty sure djRann is also living in the same year but until I confirm the type of car he drives, I can't rule out he is a time traveller.

you're one case. there are more modern cases for what i'm suggesting than the disney fairytale you are selling. and it makes no logical sense for person A who just has drive + nice smile to get a job in a studio over person B who has drive + nice smile + recording degree.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Its no fucking shit that if you put dog like slave like work into something, you will eventually get some sort of good result. But these days, people are getting Recording School degrees + doing that. So just doing the "put your all into it" is a thing of the past, that might have worked for you guys, but its out of touch thinking in modern times. And maybe you guys should think forward instead of thinking about the past, of how you did it. Space has gone down, competition and interest in being part of a studio has gone up, and in turn credentials are needed on top of that slave work. Stop misleading people that if they become a great door stop they will get a studio gig, you need more than that.

You: an industry outsider who wants in.

Them: Inside the industry, currently, telling you how to get in.

Again, you're either an idiot or a troll.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker You: an industry outsider who wants in. Them: Inside the industry, currently, telling you how to get in. Again, you're either an idiot or a troll.

You : poor reasoning / professional forum troll

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like I said before, many engineers will actually hold your little 2 year degree against you. Knowledge counts , your degree doesn't. And while you are getting a degree, individual A is interning learning how things really work and is already ahead by 2 years. Learning is not a waste of time but you need to understand those degrees , except what you might learn, do not yield much in terms of work. It is rather ironic that you called me someone that bangs his head on a wall when here you are ignoring all the advice assuming you know how it works. You are the one banging your head and the wall is made of MadForBrad abs!!! solid rock.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad like I said before, many engineers will actually hold your little 2 year degree against you. Knowledge counts , your degree doesn't. And while you are getting a degree, individual A is interning learning how things really work and is already ahead by 2 years. Learning is not a waste of time but you need to understand those degrees , except what you might learn, do not yield much in terms of work.

What your delusions are holding you back from realizing is we are talking about GREEN PEAS that want a START in the industry. How is individual A ahead of B when he is starting with nothing besides Drive? You are adding experience to individual A when there should be no experience or knowledge added. Because we are talking about how things get started, not an experienced engineer finding a job, thats not even what the discussion was about. Its about how things get started...which is why you guys are failing at your argument.

And when were talking about starting, there are many with recording degrees at the starting gate looking for gigs (ie there are more without jobs than with jobs), in competition with green peas that are looking for positions that would have to start from scratch. Why do forum users often suck at simple logic?

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what i am saying is that you learn more interning than you do at school. Yes you need to have knowledge but you can always do homework read and ask questions when appropriate. Drive and attitude really is what they are looking for. I'm just trying to save you money man.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad what i am saying is that you learn more interning than you do at school. Yes you need to have knowledge but that isn't stuff you can do homework on and read about. Drive and attitude really is what they are looking for.

Right...but whose going to give you the opportunity to intern in the first place? When there is a kid that shows up after you with a nice recording school education? With same drive and same smile you have. You're talking about small probability and poor rationale and judgement on the part of the studio owner to choose person A over person B. This is like 9th grade logic stuff.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 What your delusions are holding you back from realizing is we are talking about GREEN PEAS that want a START in the industry. How is individual A ahead of B when he is starting with nothing besides Drive? You are adding experience to individual A when there should be no experience or knowledge added. Because we are talking about how things get started, not an experienced engineer finding a job, thats not even what the discussion was about. Its about how things get started...which is why you guys are failing at your argument. And when were talking about starting, there are many with recording degrees at the starting gate looking for gigs (ie there are more without jobs than with jobs), in competition with green peas that are looking for positions that would have to start from scratch. Why do forum users often suck at simple logic?

They're failing because they believe you to be reasonable and are using logical argument to convince you; not because they're wrong about the topic.

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they don't care about the degree. It says absolutely nothing regarding what you know. They aren't hiring you to do anything audio related when you start. Anyone can talk themselves up to be the best engineer on the planet so yes, they do make decisions that often come down to how you compose yourself. They will find out soon enough whether you know anything.

Anyways, i've said my bit. Do what you must.

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad they don't care about the degree. It says absolutely nothing regarding what you know. They aren't hiring you to do anything audio related when you start. Anyone can talk themselves up to be the best engineer on the planet so yes, they do make decisions that often come down to how you compose yourself. They will find out soon enough whether you know anything.

Yes...a recording degree student that shows his skills during interview...will be overlooked for a green pea, because green pea will wave his magic wand, little mermaid coffee mugs will fill up with coffee, and have the studio mary poppin in no time. And i'm doneee : )

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how will a recording degree show your tea pouring technique ? They will probably go with the green pea because your attitude stinks. I don't know why I having this polemic discussion but you are quite the troll.

Let me put it this way. They assume everyone is talented and everyone starts off as a runner. Some people seem to shine and other don't. That is how they chose. Your paper is absolutely meaningless. They aren't looking for engineers. They are looking for interns to do menial tasks. You do that to open the door. The rest well you know what I mean.

Maybe even intern at a small studio that will gladly accept your help and give you more berth and possibly a reference.

I think perhaps you should contact some of the engineers offer to treat them to a nice steak dinner in exchange for some questions regarding their career. Maybe once you've heard it enough times, it will sink in. The question has probably been asked on gearslutz and they will all say the same thing but will make it sound even more demeaning.

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