Trial and Error

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Self taught.

Courses - I'd question the value of them now. To be able to make sonic sex takes a certain approach to the work, more than anything else.

My aim is now to refine and define my own sound which I am 100% committed to no matter how frustrating at times!

I'm trying not to mimick anjunabeats etc, because that just ain't my sound but it's taken some time for me to understand this.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Exactly how do you plan on making that correlation, particularly from this unscientifc and inadequate poll? And, what are your criteria for defining something as subjective and arguably meaningless as "good", who will be the judge, and how do you plan on ascertaining whether you're listening to a given producer's best work, worst work, or somewhere in between?

I was going to use my psychic powers

This isn't a research project i was just curious.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Maybe it's Maybelline.

Haha

The poll isn't really worth anything but I taught myself EDM production and went to school for Audio/Broadcast/Producing.

My first forays (apart from crap casio keyboards) in anything production was probably making dubs of Dad's songs on cassette for him (around 8 years old). Now, I'm writing this I suddenly have a weird "connected the dots feeling" about maybe why I ended up as a Audio/Boraodcast engineer.

Anyway, from DJ'ing I got in attempting production on wave editors then just playing around with sequences. Went to Audio Engineering school which seriously opened my eyes and knowledge base, but as it was so oldschool (in a good way - real studio engineering, mic techniques, live sound, electronics, classic studio production techniques etc) I felt lacking for EDM production.

Couple of years later went to a London based part time course to learn software techniques. Since then, I just don't feel the need for lessons for anything technical.

However, then working in studios was another HUGE leap (as going to engineering school was) as I thought I was pretty much there, and I realised on the first day, I was clearly not even on the ladder, let alone the bottom rung, compared to the guys I had to assist. At least you learn damn fast in that environment.

So now, I'd say it was a progressive combination of school and self learning, and each one helped as the other reached a plateau.

I'll doubt I'll ever take a lesson again, unless it's for music theory.

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Originally posted by MichaelHaber This isn't a research project i was just curious.

You ignored the most important part of my post (i.e., regarding the all-important experience factor). But, whatever, fair enough.

As for me, I read a LOT, have had some formal training, learned my way around most audio processors and mixing through decades of work as a live audio technician, learn some more by vids/online tutorials, forums like this, etc. So, I guess my answer is "all of the above, and then some."

Regardless, my music still sucks and is considered cheesy by most trance producers.

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Sonar Platinum | Ableton Live 9 | Logic Pro X | Access Virus TI2 Keyboard | Kurzweil PC3X | Nord Lead 4R | NI Maschine

I downloaded a cracked copy of FL Studio, opened the program, and started clicking things to see what they did. I read some stuff on the internet too. Then I switched to Ableton Live and learned a lot more stuff by clicking more buttons.

that's it really

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I'd like to see more people not focus so much on learning producing, as much as learning music.

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Originally posted by J.L. I'd like to see more people not focus so much on learning producing, as much as learning music.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

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Endless Cycles [Capital Heaven]
The Charlatan [Morphosis]

opportunity cost.

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old stuff from days gone by (2001-2004)
Mad For Brad's gay little contest

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Why does it have to be one or the other?

Not so much one way, but I think too many people try to learn music producing from a producing perspective and not a music perspective.

Scales, keys, chord progressions, harmony, counterpoint, musical style, musical motifs and etc...,

vs.

compression, EQing, dynamics, sidechaining, filtering, mastering, etc...

Most producers hit a brick wall because after they master producing, they realize they have limited musical understanding

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Why does it have to be one or the other?

A jack of all trades...is master of none.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.