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Originally posted by CMR No. You see, these are perfect areas for LRT - mid-density suburban areas. Subways however, are not appropriate for places like Mississauga (at least in its current state), the existing transit ridership and density levels are simply too low to be an effective expenditure. One thing I have to add - way too many (suburban) people have this sense of entitlement that there should be a subway to their doorstep. But thats not how it works...high order transit like subways can not efficient serve suburban sprawl. And if you choose to live in sprawl, you don't get a subway at your doorstep. If you want that, live in the city. The most pressing area that needs expanded subway service is downtown & the inner-city (the DRL), not Mississauga or Vaughn or Sheppard.

OK I'm not going to argue about the need for transit for inner city areas, but I'm willing to wager a bet that you dont use tranist in Mississauga at all. We have 14 routes that pass Kipling station and go directly to Islington. 3 of which are our busiest in Mississauga, the 26 the 1 and the 3. On any given weekday there are over 125,000 transfers made from TTC and MT. Besides SQ1 it is our busiest hub. There is an absolute need for connections to the suburbs as the city is moving out quicker than it is moving up. The Hurontario line is needed as there are 5 routes in corridor that are solely for travel completely up and down hurontario, each almost always at capacity. That would be the notorious RTE 19, 19A, 19B, 102, and 202. Added to which Brampton is slated to have a route come to SQ1 in the spring which will add more transit congestion.

This much riderership sufficently warrants subways, and dont forget even though Mississauga may be a suburb, it is still 800,000 ppl strong and is neighbors to a major city which permits even more inner transcity transit travel.

The ONLY solution is an amalgamted transit system for the entire GTA with a sole source of funding at the provincial level, finally uploading rather than downloading costs to the municipal governments. Cut out red tape rather than have more.

Everything Sentinal has said is right on point except for this statement...

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Originally posted by Sentinal Remember Hazel is not going to be mayor in Mississauga forever

SAY IT AINT SO!

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Originally posted by v-vaughn I think there should be a subway that is extended from Kipling all the way across dundas to hurontario in Mississauga and another that goes across Eglinton from the airport to Scarborough. Another line should be places north and south along Hurontario from Dundas to Steeles. Remember Hazel is not going to be mayor in Mississauga forever and the transit system WILL eventually be amalgamated into one giant transit provider. You heard it here first. It will be completely funded by the provincial government and the fuel tax which will be systematically increased over the next 5-10 years. This provincially funded body is called Metrolinx. Thats right, Go Transit is already merging the fare media into one system, TTC being the last provider to jump onboard. Once this happens the transit systems in the 905 will fully merge and eventually the TTC will follow suit. GTAT GTA Transit. This whole termination of "transit city" is the biggest smoke screen that has been pulled in recent history. Ford and Miller are very aware of this, but all these agendas are all moot. Promising transit is an easy way to attain vote and appease the unions. I'm sure you will all think off my rocker but as an employee in the industry I can tell you, this is definatly what is happening and is going to happen. Iain (Sentinal)

You raise some very good points. Thanks for the insight.

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Originally posted by Sentinal OK I'm not going to argue about the need for transit for inner city areas, but I'm willing to wager a bet that you dont use tranist in Mississauga at all. We have 14 routes that pass Kipling station and go directly to Islington. 3 of which are our busiest in Mississauga, the 26 the 1 and the 3. On any given weekday there are over 125,000 transfers made from TTC and MT. Besides SQ1 it is our busiest hub. There is an absolute need for connections to the suburbs as the city is moving out quicker than it is moving up. The Hurontario line is needed as there are 5 routes in corridor that are solely for travel completely up and down hurontario, each almost always at capacity. That would be the notorious RTE 19, 19A, 19B, 102, and 202. Added to which Brampton is slated to have a route come to SQ1 in the spring which will add more transit congestion. This much riderership sufficently warrants subways, and dont forget even though Mississauga may be a suburb, it is still 800,000 ppl strong and is neighbors to a major city which permits even more inner transcity transit travel.

Total transit ridership in Mississauga is 155,000/day total, and the line proposed by v-vaughn would be 22 km through the centre of it (and through some uninhabited industrial area for some reason)...for comparison, thats slightly shorter than the Bloor line (26 km) which carries 500,000/day (which generates a profit for the TTC).

For long-distance suburb to city transportation, commuter trains are the ideal (cheaper and more effective), not subways. Electrify GO trains, improve service levels, and offer more seamless connections with the TTC and other transit providers. And then LRT lines would be used for service within suburbs (so in Mississauga, a line along Hurontario from Port Credit to Brampton Centre, and one along Dundas from Kipling to UofTM).

lol "facts"

give me a break jay

oh and I love how you start the email off with "As a Torontonian and TTC user"...yet I've seen numerous posts from you claiming quite the contrary: that you DON'T use the TTC because of its horrible service.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH lol "facts" give me a break jay oh and I love how you start the email off with "As a Torontonian and TTC user"...yet I've seen numerous posts from you claiming quite the contrary: that you DON'T use the TTC because of its horrible service.

heh, we both noticed that too!
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