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| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Hey jabroni... almost 50% of our population doesn't pay income taxes. God you're clueless as to what's going on over here, yet you inject yourself into these USA political discussions like you live and work in D.C. |
Oh im quite familiar with your tax policy, personally i find it now whats the word...shameful will suffice, i find it shameful that such a large part of the country earns so little that the government just cant be bothered to tax them because there is nothing there to take. And if living and working in DC is the prerequisite to get into a political discussion, we might just all gtfo of this thread.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
This fact alone does not justify Government from concocting any and every plan they deem necessary to grow Government, and borrow/spend to the hilt. What if they suddenly decide they want to create an agency dedicated to the study of dog stem cell research... should we just say, "well government does after all need money to run such an agency... pay up, rich people!" |
No, you should say "why dont you show us some peer reviewed scientific paper that shows how the study of these stem cells can come up with means to improve our way of life or to make money." Then if they do, you give them the money and if they dont you smack them across the face for wasting your time. But if you dismiss the proposal out of hand simply because "it came from the government and the government is bad" your the one that needs a smack in the face.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
It wasn't a tax cut. Show me the Federal income tax rate that was just cut- from what percentage to what percentage. You can't. It is staying the same, and YES there is a difference. |
The tax cuts were designed to expire in 2010. It was known since the day Bush signed them that on Jan 1st 2011, the cuts would be gone so in essence what we had here was a Bush tax hike. The democrats, silly buggers that they are thought "hey, we are democrats and we prefer if the government has money to function, but this bush tax hike will really hurt some of these struggling families in this recession. I know it will dent the budget but lets extend the tax cuts for these nice people so that they cant send their kids to school and buy food and stuff!" And all was nice and well, until of course some rich guy decided that if the poor people get something, that its his god given right to get it as well. Now you'll love this, but the rich guy doesnt actually need the money right now because, well hes fucking rich! The recession wont force him to rummage trough trash bins to find food. Hes just home enjoying the rich life, having sex with his rich wife, driving his expensive car, drinking some of his pretentious cognac with his posh friends when suddenly his perfectly manicured moustache twirls up in horror as he realises that the peasants are going to get more money than he does and by god he isnt going to stand for it! He and his posh friends get together, phone up their friendly neighbourhood republican representative who shares their outrage over the government making poor people a priority and here we are on dec 18th with the rich guy with an extra hundred grand in his safe that he isnt going to spend to stimulate the economy and a huge gaping hole in the budget that will need to be fixed somehow, preferably by taking something from the poor people.
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
We do buy lots of shit, but I would argue it's not overpriced; thanks to a (sort of) free market economy, we have more choice and reduced costs on products.  .
As Obama says, let me be clear: our "problem" is NOT that we aren't taxed enough... it's that our government is too large and spends way too much. Way too much. It is so bloated, wasteful, and inefficient. |
Except the stuff you spend money on isnt really affected by the free market. I would argue that the 2.5 wars you put on your card were ridiculously overpriced, on more than one level.
Your military budget and the wasteful spending going on there is a separate discussion on its own, yet barely anyone dares even to whisper a plan to cut a few things there or be branded unpatriotic.
Yet here we come to the crux of the matter. If youre already taxed enough, if the government has enough income that your deficit is a bit of a problem. You dont have to be an economist or have experience in running a business or a country to know that in order to balance a budget you have to have as much money coming in as you do going out. If you have a huge deficit to cut you need much more coming in than going out. So if theres already enough comming in there has to be cuts in going out yet what will you cut?
Will you cut the money you spend on blowing people in other countries up or will you cut the money you spend to have the people back home have a better life? Though do i really need to ask?
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