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Originally posted by Domesticated This thread is funny. Two points for you, Mr J. a) Many producers, particularly the amateur ones, don't have a lot of time to listen to music, because, wait for it...they're making it, with every spare second! The amateurs in particular, because they're still learning how to make the sounds they want, and it takes longer. They probably have jobs, too. b) Is listening to others' music necessary for making your own? All the breakthrough techno artists I've been reading about recently are Omar-S 2.0, guys who never bothered listening to anyone contemporary, and so came up with a completely unique sound. Other than that, your point is very valid. How does one become unique or sculpt a creative sound without influences and inspiration?

1. If you have a job and you commute, or work in any kind of environment that allows music, you've got time to listen to music. And you should find the time, quite frankly.

2. The music of others is absolutely vital for creating your own. Absolutely vital. Even when you're just starting out, learning how to make sounds, you do so through imitation. The more different styles, approaches and ideas you've been exposed to and continue to expose yourself to, the broader your palette will be.

And I don't trust this Omar-S bullshit as far as I can throw it. The guy creates a cult of personality. Every damn artist keeps claiming they spent their childhood listening to krautrock and jazz records these days.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 2. The music of others is absolutely vital for creating your own. Absolutely vital. Even when you're just starting out, learning how to make sounds, you do so through imitation. The more different styles, approaches and ideas you've been exposed to and continue to expose yourself to, the broader your palette will be.

It takes time to imitate something properly, so one should try and stay within a certain kind of sound, its often better to be great at one thing rather than half good at many.
This is probably why there arent many producers or band that are really versatile outside their genre, they might change things up a bit but in the end its not far from the tree.
A lot of experimenting and inventions in music are just "accidents" happening while trying to create something else.

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I think staying inside one sound until you've learned to exhaustively copy it is a terrible idea.

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Originally posted by Subtle A lot of experimenting and inventions in music are just "accidents" happening while trying to create something else.

That's actually something that spawned a new technique I've been working with, regularly. It was an experiment I made to work myself out of a corner and it took well enough that I started being more dedicated about it, prefabricating samples of phrases, ahead of time, that I can incorporate into an arrangement.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I think staying inside one sound until you've learned to exhaustively copy it is a terrible idea.

Why do you think most producers stay within a certain genre ?

I`d personally love to do Drum & Bass or full on Psy Trance, but I probably would have to spend half a decade learning it before i`d start making something really good.

Its possible if you are a genius, but most producers arent, though some are and is doing exactly what you`re talking about.

What you are suggesting would probably lead to more half assed efforts rather than something good and unique.

I would say 9 of 10 producers or bands are "specialists" within their field, and its then up to their creativity if they are able to do something original or unique out of it.

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I have no idea what the point of this thread is.

Kysora, I think you are oversimplifying things. Usually when people ask a question like the OP did they state motive or intent as its an extremely specific question.
The OP did not state intent. It seemed like he was withholding the reason why and now I see how come, as explained by cryo and jive.

Noones talking about anything, they're making lists of names. Thats not really interesting nor educational. The educational value in this thread to me is trying to figure out (still) what makes the OP so obsessed over our musical tastes. And I don't mean that he's trying to prove we're "out of touch", I want to know WHY thats what he's trying to do.

It seems like at some point people ripped on him for listening to dubstep, I'm not really sure but it makes sense. But if he's going to get insecure over it, I think thats pretty fucking gay. I don't really give a shit what music anyone else on this forum listened to, I have a hard enough time caring about the music they're making now. If this thread was made harmlessly, and people were actually discussing their influences I'd think it was cool. But because the OP is out to prove something negative based on some gross generalization he seems to have projected onto this entire forum, I think is pretty pathetic.

I've likely heard over 5 or 600 new tracks this year in various different genres. And to actually explain the subjective and largely unconcious influences those tracks had on my production would result in a mess of text almost noone would understand or care to even read. The guy obviously isn't done trying to prove his original point, and this thread really seems more like an excuse for him to slowly segway back to that point. As you can see is already happening.

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Originally posted by Subtle Why do you think most producers stay within a certain genre ?

Generally because they only listen to that genre in the first place, so they have no horizons or imagination. Look at you: you make trance, and you predominantly listen to trance. I'm looking at your Last.fm page and all I see is trance, trance, trance and a bit of rock and pop.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox Kysora, I think you are oversimplifying things.

And you're overcomplicating them. Difference is that my mindset results in, at the very worst, somewhat boring discussion. Yours results in long winded posts, derailing threads with arguments instead of just saying a couple of albums you listened to this year. Or not posting at all.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 2. The music of others is absolutely vital for creating your own. Absolutely vital. Even when you're just starting out, learning how to make sounds, you do so through imitation. The more different styles, approaches and ideas you've been exposed to and continue to expose yourself to, the broader your palette will be.

And this is likely the original statment he wanted to make.
You see he doesn't actually give a fuck about the influences the music had on us, and I'm glad I didn't answer it.

How about this system-junkie, why don't you submit your empirically validated research that supports this little hypothesis of yours, or otherwise accept the fact that you, just like everyone else on this forum only has an opinion.

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Originally posted by Kysora And you're overcomplicating them. Difference is that my mindset results in, at the very worst, somewhat boring discussion. Yours results in long winded posts, derailing threads with arguments instead of just saying a couple of albums you listened to this year. Or not posting at all. :\

Ok maybe I will get through to you by saying this.

Do YOU actually give a flying fuck what music I listened to this year? Or what "influences" it had on me?

If you tell me yes, I'll tell you you're full of shit.
This thread was NOT about the original topic. I'm stating obvious facts. This thread was derailed before it was even made, because the OP doesn't know how to open his mouth and state what his real intent is because he is passive just like you are. Its called beating around the bush.

THAT is what leads to 15 page threads about irrelevant shit, when noone wants to address the actual question at hand. And you prob still think this thread is about our influences huh?