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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's not right AFAIK - the PC versions of the waves stuff have been around for years.

Team air released all the latest plugs at christmas, don't think any of the other bundle's that were previously cracked worked on windows 7.

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Originally posted by Kismet7 Waves plugins have been cracked for years, so why would they lower prices because of being cracked recently?

Well if that was the case, why did they bother with the dongle protection?? I do believe the price drop is down to it being cracked.

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Sorry... N00b question... What's the difference between Native & TDM?

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Originally posted by DjWoody Sorry... N00b question... What's the difference between Native & TDM?

just protool's nonsense, don't bother yourself with it.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Sorry... N00b question... What's the difference between Native & TDM?

Native plugins (e.g., VST, DX) use the computer's processor. TDM is a proprietary format that is used by ProTools' hardware.

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Originally posted by DjWoody Oh nice! I've been wanting to buy the Renaissance package.

That's my favorite Waves bundle. I can't recall the last project of mine that didn't use RenChannel - it's been my go-to channel strip for years. The reverb, compressor, de-esser, and EQ are good bread-n-butter plugs as well. At $262 (+ iLok), it's a great deal and will serve you well IMO.

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Awesome! I'm going to NAMM, so I'll wait until after to make the purchase. Hehehe

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Originally posted by cryophonik That's my favorite Waves bundle. I can't recall the last project of mine that didn't use RenChannel - it's been my go-to channel strip for years. The reverb, compressor, de-esser, and EQ are good bread-n-butter plugs as well. At $262 (+ iLok), it's a great deal and will serve you well IMO.

One VERY respected score engineer (based out of one of, if not the top, recording studio on earth) uses that on every project on multiple channels. In fact last time I assisted him, he said what you just posted virtually word for word. He was kind of embaressed to admit it, like he should be doing more especially as he can request anything he wants for the mixdowns but ot just does what he needs.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Either hell froze over, or pirating and the bad economy has taken its toll on their sales: Waves Price Reductions

Or U-Audio is continuing to kick their ass. All Waves has been able to do is keep up with a year or so lag time.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN One VERY respected score engineer (based out of one of, if not the top, recording studio on earth) uses that on every project on multiple channels. In fact last time I assisted him, he said what you just posted virtually word for word. He was kind of embaressed to admit it, like he should be doing more especially as he can request anything he wants for the mixdowns but ot just does what he needs.

Wow - I feel sorta cool now!

Have you tried it RANN?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN That's not right AFAIK - the PC versions of the waves stuff have been around for years. Shit, I remember in school many moons ago cracks of waves stuff floating about for PC. I thought the mac crack was the big deal as they somehow got around the ilok issue - potentially it opens up the doors to a lot of software that was ilok only and no one had properly crakced it (without time resets and little snitch etc.). As for pro studios using cracks - I actually have yet to be a pro studio (and I'm talking very serious ones) whwre they don't have at least one thing that it cracked. They don't fuck about with the big stuff like waves but sometimes the little plugs (cracks) find their way in to the mix.

Nah, the previous version was the mercury version 5 from several years ago. Mercury 7 was cracked for mac a few months ago, cracked for PC some time in the last month or so I guess. I'd say that they've finally realised that in the pro arena, there are many others who are offering better products cheaper, and in the amateur arena, they're only making themselves a target by jacking up their prices so much. Noobs who want to get cracked software will always assume that more expensive = better, so they'll always go for waves cracks. But people who actually know their stuff will steer clear because they don't represent good value.

I don't know a lot about the whole warez scene, but I'm led to believe that crackers are highly attracted to more expensive software. Waves needs to stop trying to position themselves as exclusive because everyone knows its not true and its only costing them money. They should do what microsoft have started doing and give away cut down versions of their software to educational institutions and students, then charge a smaller price for everyone else, to try and gain as much market share as possible.

Also, anyone who's claiming that they ARE good value is dreaming. Waves completely destroyed their reputation and appeal with the whole WUP fiasco when they introduced the mercury bundle. They WOULD have been good value if they'd stuck to their promises and justified the investments lots of people made in the platinum and diamond bundles, but they wriggled around their obligations and now no one will touch them.

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I've actually purchased the API Bundle Oct. last year (bought the HW unit the other day) My opinion is that one should not use cracked software non stop, consider:

- How would you feel, your IP being ripped of the internet?
- Developers have families, it's a job
- Would u want to be recognized based upon working with stolen goods?
- Would you like to be fired because no one buys your product?
- If you talk about all the others who offer for donationware, please use them (Don't Crack - KVR etc)
- If you find value in premium products, BUY THEM
- people who use cracks, have no respect for the product,because if you had, you would have bought it.

You can post the greatest tracks on here, but all your credit and my respect goes away immediately once people know it's done with stolen goods. Producing on cracked goods, makes you a spineless sorry ass producer.

AIR and H2O have been around for ages, spend 15 mins on the piratebay or rapidshare and one can have a fully loaded daw for "free"

For me, this discussion is not about what one can get away with, but about where you stand in life as a person and treating others as you would like to be treated.

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