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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Dubstep and DnB use different structures over the 4/4, you can find 6/8 percussions for example

Feel free to prove me wrong, but no you can't.

Its a complete myth that breaks/dubstep/broken beat in general is in anything other than 4/4 and it just shows ignorance when people say it is.

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Originally posted by alanzo Pretty much all popular music, including "underground" music like EDM, is done in 4/4. The human sub-conciousness is trained to expect music in patterns of four. Four beats per bar, four bars per transition. BT made a really cool track that transitions from one time signature to another. Dynamic Symmetry on This Binary Universe. It made for an awesome effect and it really throws off the listener. BUT, being thrown off when you're in a club is not something that normally works well. But I'm sure it can be done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7JiCZvJh5Q I believe it goes from 3/3 to 4/4 at 8:36. Really awesome. But keep in mind that this entire album is more art than music (IMO).

Its just swing in that track making it sound different I think... Some of the hihat lines are swung between the two sections, you can hear it more clearly at 9.30 when the normal rhythm comes back in. He's just been very clever with how he presents things, because the hats that create the percussion bed are actually doing some strange swingy things, but the actual kick and snare carrying the rhythm is the same the whole way through, in 4/4.

Western humans might be trained to listen to 4/4 in the 21st century, but as M4B said, other cultures at other times have done lots of different rhythmic things.

Time signature is a tool and highly interpretable, its not the fixed in stone thing that everyone thinks it is. Whether you set your master time signature in your DAW to 8/12 or 4/4, you can get similar results because of other factors like swing and programming in triplets, not to mention doing things like offsetting the notes in your sequencer by hand.

Makes you understand why burial does all his percussion as just audio in soundforge. Much less complicated and restricting than trying to think about and program time signatures, swing and triplets when you're just trying to put down a beat.

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Last edited by kitphillips on Feb-08-2011 at 10:31

4/4 and 6/8 are just fictions , i don't know the english name of them but that only show how you place your figures in the measure and the amen break is not made by single duration figures.

Sebastian Tolk - The Sun isn't in 4/4.

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Originally posted by Rebel Brown Sebastian Tolk - The Sun isn't in 4/4.

Yes it is. Listen to the drums - they maintain the 4/4 time throughout (kick/clap/kick/clap). The keyboard is just repeating a 3-quarter-note pattern over it, which repeats every 3 measures - it's the accents on the highest note (that repeats every 3 notes) that make it sound like it's changed time, but it hasn't - just count along with the kick and claps and you'll see.

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It actually sounds like 2/4 to me... But I'm notoriously bad at this stuff.

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Originally posted by Lolo My solarism track in its original mix is in 6/4 all the way. SOLARISM ON BEATPORT Also there's notice of eviction, but you can't really describe it as dance: Notice of Eviction on Beatport Timestop also: Beatport link ah and forgot this Nothing's Slave Forgive the Beatport links instead of youtube's, the master owner claimed all the right and got the fan videos removed, even mine.

Did anyone playout Solarism? Did you?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

Well if the beat goes kick - clap - kick - clap the only way to tell the difference between 2/4 and 4/4 would be the length of the periods. Trance periods are usually 8 measures each so if you can hear distinct changes in the track happening around every 16 beats, it's 2/4, if it's every 32 beats it's 4/4.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Makes you understand why burial does all his percussion as just audio in soundforge. Much less complicated and restricting than trying to think about and program time signatures, swing and triplets when you're just trying to put down a beat.

Interesting point. Never heard of Burial before, what are some of his good tracks?

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by kitphillips It actually sounds like 2/4 to me... But I'm notoriously bad at this stuff.

Well, you could notate it either way, but it would just be a make-work exercise to do it 2/4 and, in practice, all you'd be doing is halving the length of each measure and doubling the length (i.e., # of measures) of the song. The main point, however, is the syncopation on the lead synth that accents every third and highest note, which gives the impression that it has changed to a triplet-based time signature.

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Originally posted by Kysora Well if the beat goes kick - clap - kick - clap the only way to tell the difference between 2/4 and 4/4 would be the length of the periods. Trance periods are usually 8 measures each so if you can hear distinct changes in the track happening around every 16 beats, it's 2/4, if it's every 32 beats it's 4/4.

I would actually argue that the difference is in where the accent is placed, which doesn't apply too well to EDM, since pretty much all kick velocities are usually the same. However, outside of EDM, it is typical convention (but not a "rule") to stress beats one and three, with the downbeat (beat one) getting a little more stress, as in:

One Two Three Four | One Two Three Four

Whereas, in 2/2, the downbeat typically is stressed:

One Two | One Two | One Two | One Two

Again, that's just a generalization and does not apply to all situations.

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The emphasis in pop is on the backbeat ie 2 and 4. I have rarely heard anything where the main beat was 1.

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