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EddieZilker
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quote:
Originally posted by osterzone
Another long-winded, incoherent EddieZilker post that barely manages to get a point across.

And for the record, supporting J00F's points, on a larger scale, means nothing.




quote:
(but some may rightfully argue to your credit - no less astute)


When I posted that ^up there^ - that was the last time I'm giving you any credibility.

Congratulations. You've not only contradicted yourself. You've managed to turn the credibility you'd resurrected back into dog shit.



The only honest thing about you is your own self-loathing.


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I like the way this guy talks. Didnt mind the interview at all. Best interview i've heard in awhile actually.

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A.B
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I couldn't help but feel that John contradicts himself in parts when you read the following taken from his blog:



Being in this game for a long time, I've seen huge changes in the music industry. In fact the world seems to be run by big corporation companies these days. Most shopping malls look the same, having the usual big chain stores inside. Most towns and cities have a McDonalds, Starbucks and usual supermarket chains. Slowly the independents are getting pushed out the picture. It's no different in the music industry. We're being run by a handful of major labels (that use sub labels to hide their dominance). The independent labels don't really stand a chance in the new corporate world. There once was a day when independent labels would sign a band, tour them around the country in dirty bars, pubs and clubs and build them into something special and turning them into a chart success. The key to this was an outlet of independent record shops where specialist fans would discover new music and bands and support them. Unfortunately this community network no longer exists. The people who worked in these stores .... Where true music lovers. Geeks passionate about music. I miss these days of turning to these people for advice when finding music..... We now live in a World where people want instant gratification, so download stores saw an end to physical shops. The same instant gratification saw the rise to the X-Factor/pop idol culture. We see 'normal' people from the street in a TV competition and instantly want to see them turned into pop stars. The same applies in our specialist dance music World, people are making tracks to become instantly famous so they can tour the World as a DJ. The music cluttered in download shops is testament to this. It's impossible for a band on an independent label to make it into the top 40 charts these days. That chart is run by the handful of major labels and the infrastructure they control. The same can be .... said about the handful of labels that dominate dance music scene. .... It's easy to say that digital downloading killed our specialist records shops. But we lost a lot more than that. We lost our local communities, our outlet of information about up and coming artists, bands or DJ's. Importantly we lost those passionate kids that worked in those stores. Instead we get force fed information from corporate companies telling us what we should be listening too and the inflated electronic hype that comes with it. .... .. .. Let's hope the same technology that took away our specialist communities can help us survive. It's never been about competing with the corporate companies, it's about having a support network. .... That's the difference with passionate music lovers, they are always there to help, and it’s never about being competitive. The trophy holders can keep their awards. To us this means nothing. I want that family community back with likewise people to share my passion with. ....

To be honest, I have an infinite amount of respect for the guy, his music, JOOF etc and agree for the most part with what he says - it's true.

It's just becoming a little tiresome hearing him go on about having his cake and eating it.

Btw Anton Chernikov......A DJ turned producer or vice versa??


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Being in this game for a long time, I've seen huge changes in the music industry. In fact the world seems to be run by big corporation companies these days. Most shopping malls look the same, having the usual big chain stores inside. Most towns and cities have a McDonalds, Starbucks and usual supermarket chains. Slowly the independents are getting pushed out the picture. It's no different in the music industry. We're being run by a handful of major labels (that use sub labels to hide their dominance). The independent labels don't really stand a chance in the new corporate world. There once was a day when independent labels would sign a band, tour them around the country in dirty bars, pubs and clubs and build them into something special and turning them into a chart success. The key to this was an outlet of independent record shops where specialist fans would discover new music and bands and support them. Unfortunately this community network no longer exists. The people who worked in these stores .... Where true music lovers. Geeks passionate about music. I miss these days of turning to these people for advice when finding music..... We now live in a World where people want instant gratification, so download stores saw an end to physical shops. The same instant gratification saw the rise to the X-Factor/pop idol culture. We see 'normal' people from the street in a TV competition and instantly want to see them turned into pop stars. The same applies in our specialist dance music World, people are making tracks to become instantly famous so they can tour the World as a DJ. The music cluttered in download shops is testament to this. It's impossible for a band on an independent label to make it into the top 40 charts these days. That chart is run by the handful of major labels and the infrastructure they control. The same can be .... said about the handful of labels that dominate dance music scene. .... It's easy to say that digital downloading killed our specialist records shops. But we lost a lot more than that. We lost our local communities, our outlet of information about up and coming artists, bands or DJ's. Importantly we lost those passionate kids that worked in those stores. Instead we get force fed information from corporate companies telling us what we should be listening too and the inflated electronic hype that comes with it. .... .. .. Let's hope the same technology that took away our specialist communities can help us survive. It's never been about competing with the corporate companies, it's about having a support network. .... That's the difference with passionate music lovers, they are always there to help, and it’s never about being competitive. The trophy holders can keep their awards. To us this means nothing. I want that family community back with likewise people to share my passion with. ....

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Bierheld
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quote:
Originally posted by A.B

Being in this game for a long time, I've seen huge changes in the music industry. In fact the world seems to be run by big corporation companies these days. Most shopping malls look the same, having the usual big chain stores inside. Most towns and cities have a McDonalds, Starbucks and usual supermarket chains. Slowly the independents are getting pushed out the picture. It's no different in the music industry. We're being run by a handful of major labels (that use sub labels to hide their dominance). The independent labels don't really stand a chance in the new corporate world. There once was a day when independent labels would sign a band, tour them around the country in dirty bars, pubs and clubs and build them into something special and turning them into a chart success. The key to this was an outlet of independent record shops where specialist fans would discover new music and bands and support them. Unfortunately this community network no longer exists. The people who worked in these stores .... Where true music lovers. Geeks passionate about music. I miss these days of turning to these people for advice when finding music..... We now live in a World where people want instant gratification, so download stores saw an end to physical shops. The same instant gratification saw the rise to the X-Factor/pop idol culture. We see 'normal' people from the street in a TV competition and instantly want to see them turned into pop stars. The same applies in our specialist dance music World, people are making tracks to become instantly famous so they can tour the World as a DJ. The music cluttered in download shops is testament to this. It's impossible for a band on an independent label to make it into the top 40 charts these days. That chart is run by the handful of major labels and the infrastructure they control. The same can be .... said about the handful of labels that dominate dance music scene. .... It's easy to say that digital downloading killed our specialist records shops. But we lost a lot more than that. We lost our local communities, our outlet of information about up and coming artists, bands or DJ's. Importantly we lost those passionate kids that worked in those stores. Instead we get force fed information from corporate companies telling us what we should be listening too and the inflated electronic hype that comes with it. .... .. .. Let's hope the same technology that took away our specialist communities can help us survive. It's never been about competing with the corporate companies, it's about having a support network. .... That's the difference with passionate music lovers, they are always there to help, and it’s never about being competitive. The trophy holders can keep their awards. To us this means nothing. I want that family community back with likewise people to share my passion with. ....

Something that's always confused me about the music and entertainment industry in general is that it's residents keep arguing that the consumers should revolve around the industry rather then the other way around, yet that's still supposed to benefit the consumer somehow. So basically it's the old "market principles don't work because people are stupid" principle. Or impatient in this case. I thought we were past that, or is a new age of socialism ushering in?


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I like J00F as a DJ a lot, but no matter how valid he might be about certain points I agree that he is still "having his cake and eating it". No point in bitching about terrible trance DJs and promoters if you still allow yourself to be booked alongside them.


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RebeL9
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quote:
Originally posted by A.B

Btw Anton Chernikov......A DJ turned producer or vice versa??


Producer turned DJ I suppose.


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quote:
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Producer turned DJ I suppose.


Well there's another contradictory point then.

He complains about all these "Producers turned DJ's" and then books one of them for his night (unless Anton was doing a live show which I doubt)


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quote:
Originally posted by A.B
Well there's another contradictory point then.

He complains about all these "Producers turned DJ's" and then books one of them for his night (unless Anton was doing a live show which I doubt)
He eventually adds the important nuance: "producers turned DJ's that can't DJ"


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quote:
Originally posted by A.B
He complains about all these "Producers turned DJ's" and then books one of them for his night (unless Anton was doing a live show which I doubt)


That doesn't make his point about producers turned DJs any less true.

Still, there is absolutely nothing being said in this video that is particulary incisive or hasn't been said many times before. If J00f really wants to make a difference and make people come back simply for the sake of good music, a good start would be to not so willingly put the narrow "trance"-tag on his work.


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quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I like J00F as a DJ a lot, but no matter how valid he might be about certain points I agree that he is still "having his cake and eating it". No point in bitching about terrible trance DJs and promoters if you still allow yourself to be booked alongside them.


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John 00 Fleming
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As a long time member of this forum there’s no better time that to pop in here and put my side across.

I have to agree I must come across as a moaning old fart. But that’s not the case at all. I’m just passionate about what I do and the scene I’m involved with. You have to remember I grew up in a scene that was music orientated, the attraction was to experience a new DJ offering new music. This biggest tracks of the nights where the brand new ‘hot off the press’ promos that where spun that evening. DJ’s used to be DJ’s using the music as tools to build the night, we actually had to work hard to keep the dance floor interesting. Importantly the promoter was the man who programmed the events perfectly. People trusted that promoter week in and week out. If he advertised a new DJ was playing prime time, we trusted him and filled the club to see that guy.

Today things are totally different there’s a generation of clubbers grown up thinking that a DJ is a chap who is supposed to play anthem after anthem with a huge amount of pyrotechnics and lighting production.

The past decade has seen huge changes. Instead of DJ’s and producers being creative and innovative in the studio, career’s are born from internet marketing. IT people have become the new DJ’s! This is where I have the problem. Most music specialist I know (inc me) have no care for fame or glory. We don’t want num 1 charting tracks. Don’t want self-glorification. Don’t want to shout about how we ‘rocked’ thousands of people. Music comes first to us. That’s all we care about. Unfortunately in today’s climate, these humble people now get overlooked by promoters, punters because they haven’t got a clever IT person getting them 1000’s of friends on Facebook or appearing on Google searches. It saddens me that we have lost a whole bunch of DJ’s and producers due to this. They have given up. This is what upsets me and I suppose sparks my rants. We lost some of the best producers ever.

Most of you don’t know half the story of the way this industry works, the Pop world style management is at work, yet again pushing others out of the way in order to support their own.

I’m actually doing something about this now. I’ve started my own branded nights ‘JOOF Editions’ that many of you have already experienced. This allows me to do my own thing musically. So I’m taking action instead of many words in the past. I’m currently involved in a HUGE project supporting specialist producers and DJ’s that will be launched soon. Everything is music orientated, so it’s very exciting times.
Blogs, post and words can get very twisted around on forums. So to clear things up..

1) Purist?
No I’m not a purist and hate anything commercial (I’m close friends with Armin, A&B and never say anything bad against them). All I’m trying to do is help unlock the way promoters and some clubbers look at the scene and show there is another fruitful way. Often commercial Trance can be an easy gateway to get people into EDM, once in they may eventually discover me! Things shouldn’t be so separated. No reason why one week you should enjoy Armin dance your socks of to some anthems, then the following week have a heads down night being battered by some dark techno. That’s what the scene used to be about, then people chat about it after and share experiences. Forums seem to create bad vibes on discussions like this today ☹

2) Producers & DJs
Phew here we go again! Producers and DJ’s are a team. We need each other and that will always be the case. No one can hide the fact that if a guy that has been sitting in a studio all his life is presented with DJing at a club he will have no idea what to do.
Things used to work when producers came into clubs playing ‘live sets’. There is no better feeling watching a true music geek twiddling on keyboards, and FX. The crowd on the dancefloor will be in a different mind set knowing they are watching a live set, in the same way when you’re at a concert to see a band. After all you’re hearing all his tunes you love, and seeing him perform live (he plays them anyway in a DJ set anyway!). Once finished the DJ takes over. This format worked perfectly for years. I think today’s producers should take this approach I know for sure it’s more fun for them. This also lets more real DJ’s onto the circuit.
** In the same way Anton Chernikov performed a live set for me in Brighton**

3) Vinyl – Digital debate
No I’m not taking Pioneer’s side due to me being involved with product development. It’s a simple answer. Carrying around 60 KG of vinyl across the World is no fun. Costs a fortune in excess luggage. On tight flight transfers creates go missing. I’d have to wait weeks to get a track from a producer and have it pressed on vinyl.
Today I turn up at a club with a USB stick and headphones, then play a track a producer has just emailed to me from the other side of the world on the same night.
CD players didn’t kill vinyl, times changes.

4) System J makes a good point. Why do I allow myself to play alongside others that don’t suit me? With lack of specialist clubs in certain territories do I let my fans down and not play in their city at all, or make the effort and do this for them? My fans come first, even if this means I’m out of my comfort zone. When I see their faces enjoying themselves on the dancefloor, I know I’ve made the right decision.

5) didn’t have time to spell check or grammar (both my weakneses!)

6) Oh and I like cake!

I hope you see it’s not ranting, just love for what I do. I also appreciate the huge amount of support from this very forum ☺

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