some people became rich banging trashcans and refrigerators on stage. the gear is just gear, its how you do it that matters.

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Originally posted by Von Pistol dont really know what trollin is but i thought that was a pretty good question. i see it like this, arnej uses fl studio and his sound is as professional as it gets. people hate on fl because it is simple to use, now i havent used any of the other DAW's so im not stating one is better than the other. i am still learning fl and i dont see the point in learning a completely diff program if i dont have to... on the other side i would like to diversify my DAW knowledge though, so thats why i asked VP

I have no problem with anyone using any DAW, they all do the same thing in slightly different ways. it's just personal preference.

The bit I has a problem with was you suggesting X program is the best because Armin uses it, and thus also simultaneously inferring he's the technically the best out there and validating the program.

Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid.

A DAW doesn't make good tracks and just becuase someone famous uses, doesn't validate it more than the next person.

PVD uses a Euphinox digital desk wired in to Logic, BT uses Logic, most of the film score composers I work with either use logic or Cubase, Noisia uses cubase, Rank One uses Ableton, Chicane uses ableton, Laidback luke uses FL......

I think you can see what I'm getting at here.

Music transcends technology so that it is not restricted by it, only lifted by it.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I have no problem with anyone using any DAW, they all do the same thing in slightly different ways. it's just personal preference. The bit I has a problem with was you suggesting X program is the best because Armin uses it, and thus also simultaneously inferring he's the technically the best out there and validating the program. Wrong on both counts, I'm afraid. A DAW doesn't make good tracks and just becuase someone famous uses, doesn't validate it more than the next person. PVD uses a Euphinox digital desk wired in to Logic, BT uses Logic, most of the film score composers I work with either use logic or Cubase, Noisia uses cubase, Rank One uses Ableton, Chicane uses ableton, Laidback luke uses FL...... I think you can see what I'm getting at here.

Haha easy fella. I wasnt stateing Armin and Abelton are the best, it was a phrased question. Even though Armin was voted #1 worldwide...again, that fact aside i just wanted to know why Fl seems to be the most slandered DAW. Is it because it is simple, or is it because other programs are mor indepth and complex?

also on another topic. When adding reverb to your samples/synths do you guys have certain sample/synths with the exact same reverb? is this something that should be done so that the song sounds more together, in a sense. or does it not matter?

and also why does an export of ones song sound different than when the song is playing in the DAW? for example when i export to .wav in FLS the highs of the song are always more audible and sometimes to a very large exent.

VP

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Originally posted by Von Pistol When adding reverb to your samples/synths do you guys have certain sample/synths with the exact same reverb?

i dont really understand your question???

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and also why does an export of ones song sound different than when the song is playing in the DAW? for example when i export to .wav in FLS the highs of the song are always more audible and sometimes to a very large exent.

this should not occur. try FL help/read the manual.

edit: check out the settings on winamp-eq or whatever player you are playing back your wav on. this is a common problem around here lol.

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Originally posted by Von Pistol Haha easy fella. I wasnt stateing Armin and Abelton are the best, it was a phrased question. Even though Armin was voted #1 worldwide...again, that fact aside i just wanted to know why Fl seems to be the most slandered DAW. Is it because it is simple, or is it because other programs are mor indepth and complex? VP

Has to do with the users. There's a lot FL users that just make crap.

If you ever doubt FL just listen to Maor Levi. Deadmau5 used FL at one point. Don't know if he still does.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

I didnt know Maor Levi used fl, i just heard his guest mix on TATW and he is pretty dope.


For the reverb question i should have said: "do you guys have multiple synths or samples with the same reverb settings?"

so it would sound as though certain aspects of your song are in the same "area of the room" if that makes sense...

and ya i use itunes to listen. its just on the electronic eq setting. i will play around with that when i get home. althought i want to hear what the song will sound like in general, not just on one eq setting


Vp

LOL!

A: djeing and producing is not the same, the fact that Moar Levi uses FL and you like his djeing does not relate at all. His djmix is not mixed in FL. FL is good though, dont worry about it.

2: your reverb question: i think you are trying to ask whether we use aux-send on reverb and the answer is yes, we usually set up two or three different reverbs/delays which is common for the instruments you want to have these things on. this is to save CPU but also to have more control. the amount of reverb is then determined with the send knob in the mixer, while the reverb is connected in a aux channel in the mixer, not on the actual instrument.

B: of course your tracks will sound different in iTunes than in FL if your iTunes has EQ settings on. Jesus couldnt you guess? You are the third person not understanding this, i just dont believe it. Do not "play around" with EQ settings in iTunes, disable it completely! sound-enhancer too, disable it. Only then will it sound the same as in FL after export.

christ on a bike, i think im gonna give you another advice, u might not like it: give up production all together, stick to listening or at best djeing, or better yet play piano or guitar. your questions sums up to me that you have no technical insight what so ever, which is sort of a requirement to be a producer so just forget it. dont take it the wrong way, its more an advice than me being an ass, i might save you alot of money and time. either that or use 2 more minutes thinking before asking retarded questions. again sorry but anyone could understand some of these things without knowing anything. may I ask your age?

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Originally posted by Senator Clay Davis LOL! A: djeing and producing is not the same, the fact that Moar Levi uses FL and you like his djeing does not relate at all. His djmix is not mixed in FL. FL is good though, dont worry about it. 2: your reverb question: i think you are trying to ask whether we use aux-send on reverb and the answer is yes, we usually set up two or three different reverbs/delays which is common for the instruments you want to have these things on. this is to save CPU but also to have more control. the amount of reverb is then determined with the send knob in the mixer, while the reverb is connected in a aux channel in the mixer, not on the actual instrument. B: of course your tracks will sound different in iTunes than in FL if your iTunes has EQ settings on. Jesus couldnt you guess? You are the third person not understanding this, i just dont believe it. Do not "play around" with EQ settings in iTunes, disable it completely! sound-enhancer too, disable it. Only then will it sound the same as in FL after export. christ on a bike, i think im gonna give you another advice, u might not like it: give up production all together, stick to listening or at best djeing, or better yet play piano or guitar. your questions sums up to me that you have no technical insight what so ever, which is sort of a requirement to be a producer so just forget it. dont take it the wrong way, its more an advice than me being an ass, i might save you alot of money and time. either that or use 2 more minutes thinking before asking retarded questions. again sorry but anyone could understand some of these things without knowing anything. may I ask your age?

A) I was referring to his track: Nitrous Oxide feat. Aneym "Follow You" [Maor Levi Remix] which he plays at the end of his set. I am quite aware of the difference between the two.

2) I wasn't asking about "aux" and "send" settings. I was asking about reverb settings, and perhaps i was not wording the question properly. I wanted to know if people put more than one element of their song under the same verb settings(high cut, low cut, damping....ETC. However, i realize that there are only 4 sends so obviously some components will be under the same settings in that aspect.

B)yes obviously anyone would know that a song will sound diff with eq settings, however my itunes has been on the same settings for years and my exported songs always vary with the exported audio and recently just the highs of the track are being brought out alot more.

and as for the advice> If every artist who had a question was told to quit, well we would not have any good producers then would we. Nobody just knows the technical aspects of anything, prodigies aside. I bet you had some dumb questions when you were younger and inexperienced. Also, as i have never heard any of your songs or even your name on any cd, podcast, radioshow, or dj list im betting your not a prodigy( unless of course you go by another, more reputable name), your like the rest of us. you had to work to where you are now.


i do appreciate you trying to answer my other questions though.


VP

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Originally posted by Von Pistol Haha easy fella. I wasnt stateing Armin and Abelton are the best, it was a phrased question. Even though Armin was voted #1 worldwide...again, that fact aside i just wanted to know why Fl seems to be the most slandered DAW. Is it because it is simple, or is it because other programs are mor indepth and complex? also on another topic. When adding reverb to your samples/synths do you guys have certain sample/synths with the exact same reverb? is this something that should be done so that the song sounds more together, in a sense. or does it not matter? and also why does an export of ones song sound different than when the song is playing in the DAW? for example when i export to .wav in FLS the highs of the song are always more audible and sometimes to a very large exent. VP

I honestly can't tell if you're just subtly trolling here.

First,the way you phrased it gave mutual validation to both program and aforementioned DJ, and both of your assumptions are horribly incorrect.

Secondly, those polls just mean there's a ton of little dweebs out there who know fuck all about dance music. I'm not having a go at armin, I respect to some degree what he's done in terms of success, but no.1 ranking is meaningless. It just means he's he done the best at marketing himself and pulling strings with the people who influence large numbers of people or run the polls (it's been proven they're very easy to rig).

Thirdly, FL is slandered because historically it lags behinds the other daws in terms of functions. It's also not been the most stable, and thirdly it's design makes it look like a fucking toy. That's why no pro studios use it. Combine that with the throngs of numbnuts that seems to gravitate towards it and you have your answer.

Fourthly(!), take your EQ settings off whatever your playback software is. As SCD said, this has been covered multiple times and it's not like it's rocket science either to figure out that applying an EQ to your output is not the best thing to do when you're looking for an accurate playback of your track. Why might it sound different even between previous things you had done? Because your songs might have quite different frequency content than the last and that that EQ curve will affect it even further, in essence accentuating it, hence a further distortion of true playback.


Fithly (doh), that the whole fucking point with reverb sends. You want certain things to have the same effect - it cohesiveness in the mix and stops things from getting too muddy (common with many different time and frequency based effects). if you're just starting out then keep it limited to one or two. More than that and your just asking for mud. It seems from your responses you've only ever used reverbs as inserts (especially as prior to this thread you did not know what a send was) which in 99% of cases is the wrong way to use reverbs. What i'm saying is, that having the same effect on different sounds is the whole fucking point of sends.

Finally,and not to have a go (You can see I'm trying to help you by the answers) but this shit is really engineering 101. In fact most people know this shit before going to audio engineering school. You need to read them or get a book if you're going to have any sort of chance at producing EDM (or indeed not get flamed around here). Sorry if it sounds harsh but this place has a serious level of knowledge if you take advantage of it and not post up badly thought out of researched questions - trust us, you'll get way more out of this place if you ask targeted questions, rather than blindingly obvoius ones.

Seriously, read the production forum FAQ's. People slaved over them exactly to avoid this type of thing coming up.