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Originally posted by johncannons1 im sorry but i think dubstep is one of the worst Genres of music since speedcore. if thats even a genre

that's why I try and make dubstep, I want to make it sound like something I enjoy, without it completely changing.

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Originally posted by johncannons1 im sorry but i think dubstep is one of the worst Genres of music since speedcore. if thats even a genre

I like speedcore.

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This may be a long shot but I think Psy trance will break out. The stuff Simon Patterson and the like are coming out with is wicked. I'm just starting to get more into it now and think it may be an avenue I may stroll in some of my future productions.

On a side note:

I started up an Electronic night at a small club in central Maryland. It has taken a little bit of time but its progressively getting a lot of interest from people in the area (Only thing that sucks is that its on a Sunday night). So cheers to the US Electronic Movement; definitely trying to do my part!

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Originally posted by psymon.d i reckon this form of complex and thoughtful dubstep has a place in the future

You may have a point - it reminds me of what happened to jungle/drum&bass.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Of course, its not actually dubstep but brostep, which is a different bag really.

What the fuck Kit? Not you too?

It's all fucking dubstep. Some shit, some not quite as shit.

Don't get in to pathetic micro genre bullshit, especially not with something as new and esoteric as dubstep.

Just becuase Srkillex churns out some commercial stuff you can't then says he not making his Genre.

No one claims that their house is not actually house music anymore because the SHM turn out utter dross. It's just part of the genre and goes with the territory.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 seriously. unfortunately the scenesters that are currently into brostep/drumstep/dubstep/whateverstep/stepwobbledrumorsomething go thru genres like they go thru a pair of converse shoes. every 3 mos they've moved on and took a genre for all it's worth.

So damn true, and that's why you can't get caught up in the micro definitions of music. Dubstep? Fine, it's different enough to give it it's own genre. I can't even say Brostep and keep a straight.

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Originally posted by Zombie0729 back to the original topic, the scene in the states is the BEST it's ever been. I've been DJing here since 05 and i can tell you this is the strongest, most open minded i've ever seen it and i'm so so so so thankful. Just in san diego alone THIS week, we had 3 drum & bass/dubstep shows (zedd, chase & status and another), 5 house nights (sharam, starkillers, etc), 3 trance nights (gareth emery, paul oakenfold, aly & fila) and a bunch of other smaller house nights. These amount of acts 4 or 5 years ago would have been spread out over 3-4 mos, not 3-4 days. It's exciting because regardless of whatever music you're making or your into there's a scene for it right now. Makes me smile

Cali is bringing it at them moment. I daresay SD is pwning LA in the talent stakes these days. What with the BS at Avalon (lined areas inside now) and Vanguard not booking anything decent, it looks liks SD has it going on.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN It's all fucking dubstep. Some shit, some not quite as shit. Don't get in to pathetic micro genre bullshit, especially not with something as new and esoteric as dubstep. Just becuase Srkillex churns out some commercial stuff you can't then says he not making his Genre.

I'd disagree. As retarded as the name is, it's idotic to call both this:

and this:

just dubstep, for the same reason we don't call The Beatles and Metallica just rock n roll. I will admit that a lot of the microgenres are pretty retarded, and anyone that flips out over the exact definitions is an idiot. But genres do have their place, as long as we don't let them restrict us.

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Originally posted by Scrittah I'd disagree. As retarded as the name is, it's idotic to call both this: and this: just dubstep, for the same reason we don't call The Beatles and Metallica just rock n roll. I will admit that a lot of the microgenres are pretty retarded, and anyone that flips out over the exact definitions is an idiot. But genres do have their place, as long as we don't let them restrict us.

Sorry but I find them Shit examples, that don't help prove a point IMO. The first one to me sounds like ambient/chillout loosely modelled around the percussive elements of dubstep, the sort of thing you'll hear all day long on Sirius chill radio, whereas the second is clearly Dubstep with all the typical hallmarks. Maybe you call the need for micro genre defintions, I say one is chillout/ambient/leftfield and the other is dubstep.

I think genres have their place and are certainly useful, hence why the beatles were rock n roll (even pop) and Metallica are heavy metal

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Sorry but I find them Shit examples, that don't help prove a point IMO. The first one to me sounds like ambient/chillout loosely modelled around the percussive elements of dubstep, the sort of thing you'll hear all day long on Sirius chill radio, whereas the second is clearly Dubstep with all the typical hallmarks. Maybe you call the need for micro genre defintions, I say one is chillout/ambient/leftfield and the other is dubstep. I think genres have their place and are certainly useful, hence why the beatles were rock n roll (even pop) and Metallica are heavy metal

correct me if im wrong but dubstep didnt start out wobble and shit, im no dubstep history nerd lol but i think it came from uk garage and that ''real'' dubstep sounds(ed) like this :



thats why people refer to rusko and skirllex and stuff to brostep, just another way of saying commercial dubstep i guess.
So, if house and tech can be separated, these two definitely can.

Again, im not an expert or anything so i might be all the way wrong in this.

I remember when Dub was a genre like drum and bass. Asian Dub foundation and such.

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Originally posted by Aurana This may be a long shot but I think Psy trance will break out. The stuff Simon Patterson and the like are coming out with is wicked. I'm just starting to get more into it now and think it may be an avenue I may stroll in some of my future productions.

patterson is tech trance no really psy. he has elements kinda of psy but hes trance/tech trance

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Originally posted by skyhunter I remember when Dub was a genre like drum and bass. Asian Dub foundation and such.

+1.

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Originally posted by Mathieu correct me if im wrong but dubstep didnt start out wobble and shit

Quite possibly true however, I remember when trance was something quite very different to what it is today, but frankly in the specific terms of this discussion, it really only matters what the conception is of it now.

Maybe brostep is a term for crap commercial dubstep, but I don't know which is more stupid; people using that term to somehow mitigate it away from damaging "true" dubstep or the people in to it.

I don't know but tech house to me is it's own genre and it's kind of proved itself over time. I get the feeling in 5 years time, let alone 10 people will be going "bro..what?".

Yeah, as an American, I too am happy that there are events everywhere here. Like, America just does not like electronic music as I've said in many crying rants before.

I am rooting for Skrillex, Guetta, etc. because those people into that stuff will trickle down to other scenes.

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Originally posted by Aurana This may be a long shot but I think Psy trance will break out. The stuff Simon Patterson and the like are coming out with is wicked. I'm just starting to get more into it now and think it may be an avenue I may stroll in some of my future productions.

Patterson's been throwing psy into his tracks since about 2006, and that was only after the hard dance scene whole-heartedly embraced psytrance a couple of years earlier, then got bored of it.

Unless something really radical comes along, I don't think psytrance is going to have another resurgence. That's not to say there isn't still quite a strong scene, but to me a genre only becomes the 'next big thing' when it starts leaking out into all of the other genres around it... which psytrance did in the mid 2000s and has regressed since then so it's unlikely it'll happen again too soon.

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