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Originally posted by Endre CD is damn boring. you push a button and then its all over, whats fun with that?

This statement is just as ignorant as saying that "trance is made by computers: you press a button and it makes a new song"

You may prefer the charm of 12", but 'you push a button and then its all over, whats fun with that?' is BS, just BS!

I agree with TBA, it's mostly the cool factor.... and if you DJ just because you want to be cool, I think you're pathetic. (Not refering to anyone in particular)

Of course CD has it's downside, but PLEASE don't come up with crap arguments.

CDJ pro's:
- mp3 ,means easier to get music, cheaper(illegal though) + unreleased promos
- CD singles are cheaper than vinyls and don't get scratched as easily. Sound quality will always be as good as when you bought it.
- easier to carry around than a case of vinyls(=heavy).
- cueing is faster, easier and more accurate with CDJ's

CDJ con's:
- the cool factor
- sound quality, I'm no audio-expert, but I believe vinyl audio quality is potentionally better, and of course this is especially the case when you use burned mp3's, BUT I doubt you could tell the difference on a club sound system.

- pitch accuracy is 0,1% on most CDJ's which is not enough, you will have to adjust when 'live' in the mix. I think the more expensive players (CDJ1000 ?) have better accuracy though, but they're so costly, it defeats the 'cheap' factor, so they're only good for unreleased promos etc.

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Last edited by ampburner on Aug-19-2002 at 14:29

vinyl

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Originally posted by TBA If you think vinyl has superior sound quality you're insane I've got vinyl but would love to get my hands on a CDJ1000.

*sigh*

not this again... we've discussed already hundereds of times why vinyl has better quality than cds...

i use vinyl only too...

Hmmm.... I'm wondering what you're basing this theory that vinyl has better sound quality

Could you please show me these posts.

I realise that people say in theory records are true to the sound because they don't have quantizing error, but on CD's the quantizing error is at most 0.0000077%. And if you can notice that difference then you must be superhuman. Also most mixers ahve a total harmonic distortion (THD) of 0.05%. I think the best ones are around 0.005% wich is still a hell of a lot higher than 0.0000077%. And nowadays records are cut from a digital source like DAT, therefore there is no loss in quality from the master.

Where as I CAN hear the crackling on vinyl on the part just before the music kicks in. And from the very first time you play the record your quality of sound is decreasing.

I spin vinyl too but I'm not kidding myself in thinking that it has superior sound quality. Not that I can tell the differecnce unless the record is worn.

Note: this doesn't necessarily apply to MP3's wich are coded using lossy coding like MPEG's.

Last edited by TBA on Aug-20-2002 at 12:13

both! ive got my own vinyls, and i use the CD decks at work.
mixing on vinyl looks better and is more fullfilling, but doing it on CD is easier and u can do more things with it! plus its much much cheaper (to buy the CDs and to burn them! Shh!)

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vinyl for sure.

Part of what makes spinning such a great hobby is building your collection of records. I can look through my record box and see how i have progressed musicly from epic trance to deeper progressive. I can look at almost every record in my box and remember where i got it and why. Whats the fun in having a bunch of CDR's?

Its very satisfying looking at your own full crate of vinyl.

I wish i had at least one of em hehe

Vinyl...saving for either a pair of table top cd players or a dual cd player...

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Originally posted by TBA Hmmm.... I'm wondering what you're basing this theory that vinyl has better sound quality Could you please show me these posts. I realise that people say in theory records are true to the sound because they don't have quantizing error, but on CD's the quantizing error is at most 0.0000077%. And if you can notice that difference then you must be superhuman. Also most mixers ahve a total harmonic distortion (THD) of 0.05%. I think the best ones are around 0.005% wich is still a hell of a lot higher than 0.0000077%. And nowadays records are cut from a digital source like DAT, therefore there is no loss in quality from the master. Where as I CAN hear the crackling on vinyl on the part just before the music kicks in. And from the very first time you play the record your quality of sound is decreasing. I spin vinyl too but I'm not kidding myself in thinking that it has superior sound quality. Not that I can tell the differecnce unless the record is worn. Note: this doesn't necessarily apply to MP3's wich are coded using lossy coding like MPEG's.

I've made the same point. It's going to take a while before people realize. Maybe if the CDJ-1000 is cheaper, more people will realize it faster.

I learned using cdj how to beat match and make transitions, but ever since i bought my first vinyl, I won't go back to cd's. Vinyl rules!! It gives you the more hands on approach and you can make cool sounds hehe!!! Vinyl all the way, except for the rare stuff I find online.