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| quote: | Originally posted by narcism
already completed it when you posted this on itm  |
Do you reckon I should post there if I'm interested in that sortof thing?
I'd like to give my response to one of the questions here:
SPOILER, COMPLETE THE SURVEY BEFORE READING MY POST
How did reading the response from DJ X affect your attitude and behavioural intention towards him/her and his/her new style?
Honestly it makes me mad to hear about that sortof thing happening, and that while you should listen to your fans, you shouldn't listen to your fans who only have negative things to say about too much otherwise you'll lose heaps of your motivation. So for instance if I was a DJ/producer what I'd do is play smaller more positive gigs more often rather than the bigger ones where you get shit fans from.
If anything what it'd do is make me think about how I should never make any tracks with vocals because if due to a chain of events hinted at here I do I'll end up making crappy music.
So as for the actual question, I'd feel far less happy about recommending this dj, and in general I think what you're hinting at is the fact they're not really "putting their money where their mouth is" or doing as they actually say.
John 00 Flemming is by no means my favourite dj, it's not really my favourite style of music, but it's on the listenable level and is somewhat close. However, I must say honestly I really hate him because
A. He blogs constantly about how pure psy trance is and how it's more pure than trance because trance has sold out
B. Makes a psy trance album for ministry of sound (presumably for the money). Which for anyone who isn't into psy trance previously will know, ministry of sound NEVER
What a fucking hypocrite.
And I'm honestly wondering if him in particular is what made you start this survey.
Like there's a certain trend in the psy trance scene where it gets larger and smaller over time and after about a 10 year cycle comes "full circle".
The best example of this is olli wisdom, who owned the batcave (the original goth nightclub) in the 70s, was presumably into EBM in the 80s (since apparently a lot of older people at psy trance gigs are, like I talked to one guy that claimed he'd been into psy trance since the 70s lol)
during the 90s he was making goa trance
In the late 90s goa trance had an influence on epic trance and some people made goa trance with vocals
Source: goa head compilations
And overall in the late 90s goa trance became psy trance with the album x-dream radio which had a variety of styles (most of all being more bassline focused and more fx based than goa trance rather than melody based)
Those primarily being full on (standard)
Progressive psy trance (which has a focus on melodies in particular)
Psy tekk (cross between psy trance and techno, which has a focus on fx and basslines)
during the 2000s he was making "full on"(which is a retrospective term, as is goa trance) psy trance
during the 2005-2010s he's been making both "full on" with vocals (which has been becoming more common recently) and what could be considered either 2000-2005 style "full on" or what may be considered dark psytrance (which has been the next big thing ever since around 2005)
It's also worth noting that nowadays there's actually even two types of "neo goa trance"(and based on some research I endorse that term). The main facet of neo goa trance is the increase in use of tribal melodies, and focus on loud kick drums (full on and progpsy have harsh mid heavy kick drums normally). First of all there's the type that comes primarily from the progpsy scene (aka newschool goa, made by suntrip records)
and there's neo goa which I'd say comes from labels like avatar records
source: Try goa gil's divine dozen list or in particular psytrance artists that play at the festival burning man for some ideas
It's even worth noting that neo goa is very pro drug (although they're not likely to openly admit it) and the guys who run suntrip records run a forum called psynews (which most of all centers itself around loving 90s goa trance, although in the last few years dark psytrance has become respectable there), and one of them is actually very anti drug. He was saying how dark psytrance is just an excuse for drug abuse.
Honestly, what a dickhead (it's mars who is one half of suntrip records btw)
In particular I draw attention to the newschool goa scene, because it seems to attract a lot of converts from the regular trance scene (and generally even musically seems to be quite similar to regular trance, very melody focused and uplifting, never or hardly ever dark, etc)
In particular it's worth noting that this guy complains about how he says their label would love to publish dark goa trance but they don't know of any artists that make it, even though I know full well there's threads on for instance triplag (darkpsytrance) forums talking about people making darkpsy/goa trance crossovers (which most definitely are in musical style, and take heavy 90s influences)
So I think that if you know lots about the trance scene, it'd be a good idea to look into the psy trance scene a bit and it's history, since in many ways there are polar opposites (in particular how with the rise of the internet regional scenes in euro trance have died, and they've grown even stronger for psy)
Oh and if domesticated reads this, you were right, I used to be an arrogant cunt, but hopefully I've changed, I'd be interested in reading your thoughts on how the psy scene has come full circle if you read this and gimme a link, and I'd also like forgiveness for being a cunt online.
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Last edited by Darkarbiter on Aug-25-2011 at 10:15
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