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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney fabio who ?

with all my due respect for the guy, I second that. Not that I want to break him, but I've been through this myself a gazillion times. Enough whining and crying because it won't get any better soon. There is one way forward, that's work work work and work again. "Resign" when you reach the top, at least it doesn't feel ridiculous. And if he really quits then the boy has two problems. First of all he sends the wrong message as it also means he was only running a business and not expressing any form of art. Yikes. Secondly that means he won't be able to come back.

I did the exact same mistakes ROFL. It's not surprising. I know how frustrating it is. But guys, I beg you not to make those mistakes. Shut up, work, exist as creators/artists, and when you have nothing to say, just shut up. Focus on the important things in life and see this pop life as an avatar on the web, nothing else.

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Originally posted by DJRYAN™ Holden says, "any dj over 30 needs to quit"... I'm 29... But I aint quitting... How old is Oakenfold??

holden can be compared to a man that was once sane then experienced his first acid trip and went fucking bonkers

also, any one over 30? what the fuck is dj'ing, playing a physical sport? what are your bones lacking calcium and hurting from twisting those knobz? age has no meaning, if you're good, you're good. if you know good music, you're still relevant in this field. people are fucking putting the musical pussy on a pedestal, man.

Honestly this sounds pretty reasonable. The scene is far from dead but it's pretty fair to say EDM is a completely different monster than it used to be. It's a genre almost defined by the technology used to create it, and that technology used to improve faster than most artists can keep up with...

We live in the age of software and the internet, bedroom producers are a dime a dozen, and nobody has any hurdles to try and overcome. I think most producers like me just listen to modern trance, think "That's what I want my music to sound like!" and all of their effort goes into emulation, rather than innovation.

I try to do new things with trance, I really do.. I don't know if I succeed, since my focus is on doing new things musically with the trance form, and few purists seem to give a shit about that. I'm not trying to make a divide between me, and other bedroom producers, but I really do think a lot of people see EDM as a technical exercise that has a final "goal", which is just being able to make music as good as your favorite artists. They don't want their own sound, they want to sound like Deadmau5 or Blueman or whoever.. I want my own sound, and I'm trying to achieve it, but I think that's lost on a lot of modern producers.

So, yeah, I guess I see where he's coming from.

i think any relatively successful EDM producer needs to first get a manager and a pr agent and discover that there is a world of opportunity in so many different areas of music for EDM producers to get involved.

The producers that get frustrated don't see to have a plan of action. YOu can make a very lucrative living as a EDM producer and not have to dj. I suppose you might have to be a little more flexible in that you might have to sort of stretch your range but still, the skills of a great producer are in need and it isn't hard to make a living.

People just have tunnel vision. I'm a producer, so I dj.A colleague of mine makes about 30 000$ a year doing audio for forensics on top of his main stuff. It works out to about 1000$ an hour. There are just so many ways. I think the main issue is that producers get stuck in this rut as to what is possible with their skill set. I also think they all tend to have drug issues at least the ones that start djing and experience a little success which is probably the number one fuckup noobs make.

There are so many opportunities to make a living even as someone that you might think specializes in a niche market. You can be a sound designer, pop co producer .....

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Last edited by Looney4Clooney on Sep-21-2011 at 17:14

Couldn't agree more to be honest.

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

No offense to this guy, but he doesn't strike me as having a skill set to get very far in the very competitive music industry. It looks like he started as a trance DJ, learned a little bit of production/remixes to support his DJing, and had some modest success with a handful of songs in a very niche market - not a good road map if you're looking to avoid dead ends IMO. Also, his woe-is-me resignation rant tells me that he has the wrong attitude to survive very long in the industry.

Incidentally, I had never heard of Mr. Stein before this thread, so I spent a little time listening to his tracks on youtube. Am I the only one who can listen to a track like the one below and find it very ironic that he is complaining about the lack of unique and special music in EDM and asking "where's the beef?" This track epitomizes lack of substance and original thinking - it's generic, formulaic, robotic, and I don't think I heard a chord change in the entire song (TBH, I sorta tuned it out from boredom after about 4 minutes).

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I skipped 45 seconds into the track right away, all he changed at that point was add a hi-hat. seriously? almost an entire minute of the track is a boring percussion line that barely changes. very little variation, next to no layering, what the hell?

this guy is part of the problem he's complaining of. what a joke.

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Originally posted by cryophonik No offense to this guy, but he doesn't strike me as having a skill set to get very far in the very competitive music industry. It looks like he started as a trance DJ, learned a little bit of production/remixes to support his DJing, and had some modest success with a handful of songs in a very niche market - not a good road map if you're looking to avoid dead ends IMO. Also, his woe-is-me resignation rant tells me that he has the wrong attitude to survive very long in the industry. Incidentally, I had never heard of Mr. Stein before this thread, so I spent a little time listening to his tracks on youtube. Am I the only one who can listen to a track like the one below and find it very ironic that he is complaining about the lack of unique and special music in EDM and asking "where's the beef?" This track epitomizes lack of substance and original thinking - it's generic, formulaic, robotic, and I don't think I heard a chord change in the entire song (TBH, I sorta tuned it out from boredom after about 4 minutes).

The guy really likes to drag out the intro.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Kysora Honestly this sounds pretty reasonable. The scene is far from dead but it's pretty fair to say EDM is a completely different monster than it used to be. It's a genre almost defined by the technology used to create it, and that technology used to improve faster than most artists can keep up with... We live in the age of software and the internet, bedroom producers are a dime a dozen, and nobody has any hurdles to try and overcome. I think most producers like me just listen to modern trance, think "That's what I want my music to sound like!" and all of their effort goes into emulation, rather than innovation. I try to do new things with trance, I really do.. I don't know if I succeed, since my focus is on doing new things musically with the trance form, and few purists seem to give a shit about that. I'm not trying to make a divide between me, and other bedroom producers, but I really do think a lot of people see EDM as a technical exercise that has a final "goal", which is just being able to make music as good as your favorite artists. They don't want their own sound, they want to sound like Deadmau5 or Blueman or whoever.. I want my own sound, and I'm trying to achieve it, but I think that's lost on a lot of modern producers. So, yeah, I guess I see where he's coming from.

Just like any other artform, its extremely difficult to truly express yourself. Everyone starts out emulating someone else, its just a fact of life.Most people won't make it to the point of perfect expression.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

out of curiosity do you guys think he cleared the rights for that tetris track? we've been wanting to do something similar with a somewhat well known video game track..

back on topic though yes i tend to agree with everyone, he sounds like a whiney old fart who's more concerned with success than following his passion. good luck to the guy though

Of course he didn't clear the rights.

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Originally posted by Storyteller Of course he didn't clear the rights.

yeah that's what i figured, strange as hellhouse is a pretty big label too so you'd think they would be on top of that