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Originally posted by Acton I use my headphones for referencing and I listen to my masters on as many pieces of equipment as possible, so I'm not against headphones at all. But those headphones........

Could be worse:

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Originally posted by Energy_3 Sounds good! Simon I thought about making some up as well, as there is loads of info about on how to do etc, but you need to get it right the density otherwise its a big waste of time and money! Im in a simular situation with renting, cant go sticking shit all over the place, well making any mods to the room. Sot, what thickness did you get for your traps etc from GIK?

i'm actually still living in my rents house temporarily and they are about to sell it and told me i would not be able to hang anything on the walls so i was in the same boat as you, great thing is the tritraps just stack on top of eachother and don't hang on the walls as well as the monster bass traps i have set on stands too, so nothing is actually hanging on the wall.

when i do move out, i'll be sure to get a 242 or 244 from GIK to hang on the ceiling and maybe some diffusion panels too.

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I think treatment is a waste honestly unless you plan on becoming the next Armada. I barely even use my truths anymore and find time and time again the cheaper and shittier headphones that I can find to mix on, the better my music always tends to sound in the end.

Think about it you are gaining incremental changes in your music by adding treatment but you can gain much more than incremental changes by knowing wtf you are doing. Techniques, knowing how to really manipulate your favorite synth... how to really use your favorite fx... if you don't know how to do that shit now, then again I just see treatment as a waste of time.

I see treatment as something you do only after you have totally mastered the music making process. You do it to close the gap on that last little bit of sound quality which to me is like .000001% of everything else you do which is really the more important stuff.

And I'm sure M4B or some of the more knowledgeable folks will call me an idiot which I'm sure I am but I just don't plan on treating my room ever. Cause even once you treat you room there will be someone w/out a treated room that can still make wayy better music than you. Also is the fact that 99% of people aren't going to hear your music in a treated room... so do you really think they are going to notice the fraction of a percent that it improves your music?

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Interesting POV Robby. It indeed won't help you gain more talent.

But that's a totally different discussion on it's own "who is room treatment worthy"

It's like with everything in life, how far you want to take things.
And i can assure you that even you will make better mixing decissions in a treated room than on shitty headphones.

Whether you're at the stage that investing in this makes sense to you, is totally up to u. If producing for you means just loosing yourself for a couple of hours, where others watch a movie or play Xbox, i.e. a hobby just do what feels best. If you supply your works to others, or others will depend on your judgement then it's just a plain necessity

OP told you Well done!

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I think its always a hobby if you make money or become famous its still a hobby, just more people listening to your music

The fact of the matter is, and im sure, room treatment does improve quality of sound, and you are right, if you know what your doing, it can be in some way, perhaps something not really justified (tho this could be argued). In my case my room echos like mad and i dont want to fill it with furniture to dilute the sound. I want a clean room with nothing in it but my studio stuff.

I really want to hear all the sounds in my mix, the suttle sounds, complex aray of harmonics etc, so I want it crisp. If i can do this without treatment I am happy to listen. I hav krk6's so thats prob not the best starting point too, but its a step in a direction im sure.

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Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox I think treatment is a waste honestly unless you plan on becoming the next Armada. I barely even use my truths anymore and find time and time again the cheaper and shittier headphones that I can find to mix on, the better my music always tends to sound in the end. Think about it you are gaining incremental changes in your music by adding treatment but you can gain much more than incremental changes by knowing wtf you are doing. Techniques, knowing how to really manipulate your favorite synth... how to really use your favorite fx... if you don't know how to do that shit now, then again I just see treatment as a waste of time. I see treatment as something you do only after you have totally mastered the music making process. You do it to close the gap on that last little bit of sound quality which to me is like .000001% of everything else you do which is really the more important stuff. And I'm sure M4B or some of the more knowledgeable folks will call me an idiot which I'm sure I am but I just don't plan on treating my room ever. Cause even once you treat you room there will be someone w/out a treated room that can still make wayy better music than you. Also is the fact that 99% of people aren't going to hear your music in a treated room... so do you really think they are going to notice the fraction of a percent that it improves your music?

you could argue any music purchase is a waste of money so your point isn't really that practical. If your goal is to mix better, having a room that doesn't have nulls is pretty important. More so than the speaker. Treatment is not that expensive. 1000 is enough for most small room project studios. You don't need to cover everything. Even spending half that and placing things in strategic locations will make a huge difference. And if you are good with a hammer, you could technically make your own for practically nothing.

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