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Originally posted by Raphie yes that would be nice as well Virus Ti Native anyone?

Why?

There are way too many VSTi's that try to be like a Virus. They all fail.

Let them try replicate something else than a Virus.

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With sound modules like the XV-JV range you wouldn't have to create a virtual instrument.

Someone would have to just sample all the raw PCM waveforms and re-create the sound banks for popular rompler VSTis like Dimension Pro or Kontakt.

Not sure about the legality of sampling the PCM waveforms though.

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Originally posted by tehlord Superwave do an MS2000 emulation and Disco DSP Discovery Pro is an emulation of the Nord Lead 2. I loved my MS2000b, as mediocre as it really was it looked cool and let me be Optimus Prime. Oh, and the Adam Szabo JP6K is a good approximation of the JP8000.

i think the point is that they all come somewhat close but what is stopping these companies from just releasing the schematics. All pcb boards and chips exist first on software before made into hardware.

The virus B was ported years ago for powercore. The sound was 95% the same. I mean you could load up a patch from the synth, then the same patch on the VST and it was identical minus a bit of brightness which was most likely to do with the converters on the hardware unit. But the character was there and a bit of eq fixed everything. But arturia stuff , although cool is far from close.

The lexicon PCM plugins i think show that the old argument, computers could not handle the calculations untrue.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i think the point is that they all come somewhat close but what is stopping these companies from just releasing the schematics. All pcb boards and chips exist first on software before made into hardware. The virus B was ported years ago for powercore. The sound was 95% the same. I mean you could load up a patch from the synth, then the same patch on the VST and it was identical minus a bit of brightness which was most likely to do with the converters on the hardware unit. But the character was there and a bit of eq fixed everything. But arturia stuff , although cool is far from close. The lexicon PCM plugins i think show that the old argument, computers could not handle the calculations untrue.

Well I think you've hit the nail on the head of the difference that hardware can make, in that there's a physical path for the audio signal to travel and therefore become coloured in some way. There's no doubt that a hardware synth sounds different. Whether that translates into a mix is totally debatable of course, and I don't believe it really does unless you're particularly careful about preserving the character and the mix is very sparse, and even then it'd be tricky to tell.

I did used to have an M1 years ago, and although the Korg Legacy plugins were supposed to be 100% accurate I still don't think they sounded the same.

I guess it's like saying Vinyl sound different to CD. I don't really care.

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i don't think it is that simple. Pretty sure my DAC now are better than any synth. At the time, i had an rme hdsp. The synth reacted pretty much the same way as the hardware. Any patch would sound the same. This is not the case with any current synth emulator. They just don't sound close enough to replace the hardware. The virus powercore did.

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I don't think a VST plugin via better DAC necessarily means that it'll sound better than a hardware synth, as most hardware synths didn't have RME standard converters in them.

I can't comment on the Poco Virus though, i've only had the Ti, and I never bothered with the Virus plugin when I had the God awful Powercore.

Could it be that it's the cheapness of the hardware synths converters that make them sound the way they do. Much like a loudness button on a budget hifi

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The main problem synth manufacturers have these days is they can't make hardware that sounds as good as VSTs, specially when it comes to bread & butter sounds. Notice how there are no more piano modules?

So it kind of balances out.

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Originally posted by Beatflux How about classic softsynths that you would like to see in an expensive 2000 dollar dongle: Synth 1.

LOL that would be fucking brilliant, especially if they put no effort into the design like the gui. Proper fisher price looks.

I'd also like to see the seminal classic 3xOSC.

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Originally posted by Mel David The main problem synth manufacturers have these days is they can't make hardware that sounds as good as VSTs, specially when it comes to bread & butter sounds. Notice how there are no more piano modules? So it kind of balances out.

no piano modules ? electric pianos outsell synths by a margin of 1000.

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