Originally posted by Mattinsanity
EddieZilker asked in another thread what constitutes soul. I'm not saying my definition is law, but the track needs to not only move the body, but also move the heart.
I'm sorry, but I'll have to strongly disagree on that point. First of all, your heart is nothing but a muscle whose sole task is to pump out blood to the rest of the body. The heart has nothing to do with emotions.
Second of all, and I'm presuming by heart you meant your emotions, ART IS SCIENCE! We know that there are several neurological and evolutionary reasons behind to what we consider good music, and none of them has to do with "soul". In fact, they all have to do with craftsmanship and aesthetic value. Here's a video that explains it:
To further elaborate, the way we are hard wired in the brain is the explanation to why why we e.g. consider a minor chord a sad AND listenable sequence of vibrations.
Anyway, I've recently been thinking about why I tend to have a weak spot for uplifting trance, but not for say mainstream pop or happy hardcore. I wondered "how come?" and came up with conclusion "complexity, sexual neutrality and aesthetic value", not soul.
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.
Nov-05-2011 19:54
EddieZilker
This is the dance.
Registered: Jan 2009
Location: Marijuana Sex Camp
All I know is that when I have stopped following my heart, I have found myself walking backwards.
See, it's like I made this really profound statement which is literally true because your heart is kind of in front of other organs and if you weren't "following" it, you'd have to be walking backwards or sideways or something. I hope everyone learned something, today.
Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
Wrong?
I don't believe the heart has any physical bearing on emotions. It's just an old saying. Emotions are triggered by chemicals in your brain.
Well maybe I'm wrong? I think it's more a powerful combination of heart and mind. It's a complicated question I suppose and answers will depend upon beliefs. I personally just don't believe emotions only stem directly from the brain and the heart plays a more important with in emotions than many people think.
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Nov-05-2011 20:12
Vector A
Your petrochemical arms
Registered: Apr 2011
Location: U.S.
The heart does have a bit to do with emotions. For example, by regulating the heart beat with beta blockers, you can reduce performance anxiety. Your brain picks up on bodily cues (sweat, flushing, rapid heart rate) as indicators of fear, danger, and nervousness, so if you remove those cues, then you may end up "feeling" less nervous and fearful subjectively.
Nov-05-2011 21:14
Teezdalien
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Well look at it this way, the brain will not function without the physical drive of the beating heart, right?
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Levels is...decent...damn better than a lot of the shite dominating the charts at the moment. It sounds absolutely nothing like...a billion and one similar tracks in this big-room style. I always had a soft spot.
Nov-05-2011 21:32
sisterbliss
licking the lollipop
Registered: Nov 2003
Location: the candy shoppe
Re: it has dawned on me that music that has no soul does not benefit the listener
quote:
Originally posted by Mattinsanity
if people want to enjoy life via music, soulful music is required. I'm not saying soulful as in a actual genre if there is one, but I'm using that as a proper adjective. even if brainless music sounds good, if it's overbearing, then it could lessen your morals and make you think you need some stupid chemicals to enjoy it. I'm not going to single out any artist or track, but if it goes BOOM BOOM BOOM and has no conscience, then it should be avoided in my opinion. I'm not surprised that my last mix, a tribal house mix got 0 replies. I'm not here to promote that - I'm just ok that no one gave a rat's ass about that mix. tribal house has decent music, but in my case, it didn't benefit my soul whatsoever. now I understand that the neighbours are justified when they get angry about nonsensical, crazy music.
lol
Nov-05-2011 22:42
Mattsanity.
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto
quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Music is to each individual something different. To say that music with no soul doesn't benefit the listener therefore is too widespread a generalisation. If you're trying to reason with yourself that what you listen to must have soul then you're trying too hard. Relax and don't hit 'new thread' for everything that comes into your mind
skim through Music Discussion and see how many recycled threads there are. if someone made this kind of thread, I wouldn't have made it - common sense.
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In other words, it's a nebulously defined ideal which is measured subjectively and is not a condition any two people could definitely agree is present.
Thanks for clearing that up.
damn right it's subjective. everyone is wired differently.
Nov-05-2011 23:06
Mattsanity.
Supreme tranceaddict
Registered: Aug 2009
Location: Toronto
quote:
Originally posted by pointPi
I'm sorry, but I'll have to strongly disagree on that point. First of all, your heart is nothing but a muscle whose sole task is to pump out blood to the rest of the body. The heart has nothing to do with emotions.
Second of all, and I'm presuming by heart you meant your emotions, ART IS SCIENCE! We know that there are several neurological and evolutionary reasons behind to what we consider good music, and none of them has to do with "soul". In fact, they all have to do with craftsmanship and aesthetic value. Here's a video that explains it:
To further elaborate, the way we are hard wired in the brain is the explanation to why why we e.g. consider a minor chord a sad AND listenable sequence of vibrations.
Anyway, I've recently been thinking about why I tend to have a weak spot for uplifting trance, but not for say mainstream pop or happy hardcore. I wondered "how come?" and came up with conclusion "complexity, sexual neutrality and aesthetic value", not soul.
funny post. ever heard of heart being used as a metaphor? just like Adam said, it's an old saying.
and I'm not going to watch 17 minutes of that video.
