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kamil
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Registered: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto, Canada

quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
just what a canon user would say....I'll agree that maybe bodies and some of the zooms are the same.

Nikon has a 14 - 24 2.8 zoom which Canon lacks, it does produce excellent images, even Canon would agree...not that I use zooms, I use primes., Car Zeiss ones. I use a Noct NIkkor 58mm f/1.2 which is AI, this is just one example of a lens I need a camera to read.

I use all manual, I dont use Autofocus..or anything auto so..if you like the camera to make your decision for you...knock yourself out with new auto lenses.

The truth is the best lenses dont use auto focusing..(Voigtlander 125mm F2.5 APO Lanthar) comes to mind..

If you want to go Canon, I am not saying stay away, but Nikon is where it's at for me.

and thats bullshit that the user interface and controls are terrible...everything is where you want it to be. It is a more expensive brand sure, but in photography the phrase you get what you pay for can not be more true.


LOL @ 'just what a canon user would say'

And why would you say that? To encourage the stupid war between nikon/canon users? Do you feel superior because you use a Nikon eventhough viewers and pros cant tell if the end result was taken by a canon or nikon or other?

LOL again at your comment/implication that autofocus lenses are 'new'. AF has been around for quite a while. Go ahead and tell someone whos doing sports photography to use a 30 year old Nikon lens.. which is essentially why there are so many more sports photographers shooting with a Canon. I'd also like to see how accurate someone can get their focusing in manual compared to autofocus under normal circumstances.... equally importantly, i'd like to see someone shoot in manual focus as quickly as with AF, most situations dont allow for that kind of crap to put up with, ie; wedding photography. Sure, in the studio where you have (basically) an infinite amount of time to fuck around with focusing, manual will work.

I've been shooting for 8 years and in that time I've rarely had a need to manually focus.

I do have a serious question though; where does this 'elitist' crap come from, from owning a nikon camera? Hopefully you'll answer that.

I don't see this kind of attitude from Canon users. It reminds me of Apple fanboys with their Mac computer and conceitedness (and yeah, I use a Mac too, but I know its flaws, as well as Canon's).

I nearly switched to Nikon when the D90 came out, mainly because of its video capabilities. I didn't care about photo quality because both Canon and Nikon are so close to being on par, it really doesnt matter.

User Interface, however, very much *is* a nightmare on Nikons. I'm not talking about the physical button controls on the camera, but the on screen menus and controls; theyre fucking terrible. They'd get shit right if they had anyone that used Apple's mentality of simplicity considering that dSLR's demand a lot of advanced settings which mostly photo-savvy users will understand. Trying to change ISO settings should straight forward, Nikon went ahead and successfully made it a chore, which is one of the things that turned me off about the D90... and I haven't seen any new Nikon improve on that flaw.

You won't see me bash/complain about Nikon in any other area because theres nothing that really warrants it, because if it did, Canon would be right there too since both manufacturers are basically the same in every area.


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Old Post Apr-10-2012 01:25  Poland
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Moral Hazard
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Originally posted by RapidFire
ah, interesting. would you say its good enough in regards to video? I bought it more for that reason, to shoot some music videos on a slightly above amateur level.


I would suggest that if video is your primary intention you buy yourself an HD video camera. Certainly, the 60D takes great 1080 video and I suspect the same is true of the t3 as they have the same processor. I like the ability to take video with the same camera I'm using for stills; however, when I really want to video something I have a proper video camera. The problem you'll run into with video on your DSLR is that auto focus sucks compared to a video camera (but at least you have it on the t3i, many don't) and you'll be shooting at a lower fps rate then with a video camera. Now, if you have to choose between having a video camera that takes stills and a still camera that takes video I would go with the later but if you want great video (as opposed to pretty good) you should get a video camera. All in all; however, I'd say you made a good purchase unless you are very demanding in terms of the quality of the finished product.


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Old Post Apr-10-2012 12:10  Canada
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RapidFire
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Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I would suggest that if video is your primary intention you buy yourself an HD video camera. Certainly, the 60D takes great 1080 video and I suspect the same is true of the t3 as they have the same processor. I like the ability to take video with the same camera I'm using for stills; however, when I really want to video something I have a proper video camera. The problem you'll run into with video on your DSLR is that auto focus sucks compared to a video camera (but at least you have it on the t3i, many don't) and you'll be shooting at a lower fps rate then with a video camera. Now, if you have to choose between having a video camera that takes stills and a still camera that takes video I would go with the later but if you want great video (as opposed to pretty good) you should get a video camera. All in all; however, I'd say you made a good purchase unless you are very demanding in terms of the quality of the finished product.


thank you appreciate the advice!

Old Post Apr-10-2012 16:54  Serbia
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Sushipunk
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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: Chateau Verdafloor

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
I would suggest that if video is your primary intention you buy yourself an HD video camera. Certainly, the 60D takes great 1080 video and I suspect the same is true of the t3 as they have the same processor. I like the ability to take video with the same camera I'm using for stills; however, when I really want to video something I have a proper video camera. The problem you'll run into with video on your DSLR is that auto focus sucks compared to a video camera (but at least you have it on the t3i, many don't) and you'll be shooting at a lower fps rate then with a video camera. Now, if you have to choose between having a video camera that takes stills and a still camera that takes video I would go with the later but if you want great video (as opposed to pretty good) you should get a video camera. All in all; however, I'd say you made a good purchase unless you are very demanding in terms of the quality of the finished product.


Definitely good advice, though I have to say I love being able to shoot HD video at 400mm range with L glass Video is not my thing though, and I barely use it on the 5Dmk2 (and my 50D doesn't even have video as an option).


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Danny Ocean
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the 5d MarkIII is pretty nice to be honest..i like it over the D800


quote:
Originally posted by kamil
LOL @ 'just what a canon user would say'

And why would you say that? To encourage the stupid war between nikon/canon users? Do you feel superior because you use a Nikon eventhough viewers and pros cant tell if the end result was taken by a canon or nikon or other?

LOL again at your comment/implication that autofocus lenses are 'new'. AF has been around for quite a while. Go ahead and tell someone whos doing sports photography to use a 30 year old Nikon lens.. which is essentially why there are so many more sports photographers shooting with a Canon. I'd also like to see how accurate someone can get their focusing in manual compared to autofocus under normal circumstances.... equally importantly, i'd like to see someone shoot in manual focus as quickly as with AF, most situations dont allow for that kind of crap to put up with, ie; wedding photography. Sure, in the studio where you have (basically) an infinite amount of time to fuck around with focusing, manual will work.

I've been shooting for 8 years and in that time I've rarely had a need to manually focus.

I do have a serious question though; where does this 'elitist' crap come from, from owning a nikon camera? Hopefully you'll answer that.

I don't see this kind of attitude from Canon users. It reminds me of Apple fanboys with their Mac computer and conceitedness (and yeah, I use a Mac too, but I know its flaws, as well as Canon's).

I nearly switched to Nikon when the D90 came out, mainly because of its video capabilities. I didn't care about photo quality because both Canon and Nikon are so close to being on par, it really doesnt matter.

User Interface, however, very much *is* a nightmare on Nikons. I'm not talking about the physical button controls on the camera, but the on screen menus and controls; theyre fucking terrible. They'd get shit right if they had anyone that used Apple's mentality of simplicity considering that dSLR's demand a lot of advanced settings which mostly photo-savvy users will understand. Trying to change ISO settings should straight forward, Nikon went ahead and successfully made it a chore, which is one of the things that turned me off about the D90... and I haven't seen any new Nikon improve on that flaw.

You won't see me bash/complain about Nikon in any other area because theres nothing that really warrants it, because if it did, Canon would be right there too since both manufacturers are basically the same in every area.

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Sushipunk
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Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:
Originally posted by Danny Ocean
the 5d MarkIII is pretty nice to be honest..i like it over the D800


The 5Dmk3 is supposed to be considerably better than the D800 in low light/high ISO shooting, though I'm unsure whether that's just for video or stills as well.


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Danny Ocean
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It is for sure, and the ergonomics and feel is much better in my opinion as well. Coupled with the 85 f/1.2 would be really nice in low light for portraiture...

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