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Originally posted by WhatsTheStory You really are pathetic, Go read my first post. I was more helpful than condescending. I gave more helpful points then not considering it doesn't change at all in 11 minutes. Fact of the matter is the track is a waste of time to listen to. You want ppl to feel bad for you by saying i'm being abusive. I guess this is what you do to ppl trying to help you if you don't like the tone of wording. As I said in my last post looney even offered to mix your last track and you just kept goin on and on about how he was trying to attack you. Lol you wont answer the question because it must be that long without any advancement in your lack of talent. Lol my brand of feedback? I'm giving you a taste of your own medicine which I didnt initially come into this thread looking to do.Is that why you are giving feedback to a bunch of different ppl so you can try to get more ppl to feel bad for you. Edit. Funny that you are saying that I was confrontational from my first post but fact of the matter is. My latter posts where I had said that ppl who have been producing a few months and have better tracks and how your track wouldn't have been acceptable 20 years ago I had actually put in that first post but edited it out. If i was really looking to abuse you from the get go do you think I would have really removed those statements.

Do you even produce? Love to hear your tracks.

AT the end of the day the guy could use tired old thump kick like the old hard trance days (that have bled into much of trance now; Discover Records, etc.) But he has gone for if anything a more modern sound by looking back to retro vibe in his percussion, it's very cool.

The ideas are solid and there. This track reminds me of a James Holden type sketch. True he has not pulled it off flawlessly, hence why he has asked for feedback.

His trippy melody is really hypnotic and whilst it repeats for nearly 11 minutes I think that's the sorta vibe again border community style trippy shit.

It's very cool ideas and I'd commend this over the thousands of tired epic super saw trance any day.

This guy has done more than download massive or nexus loaded up a patch and a dragged in a loop pack.

The ideas are there the execution is lacking, but that's no bad thing. Every master must learn his craft.

Meanwhile maybe you could post an example of your work? Please nothing older than 12 months though. Wanna hear "modern"

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Do you even produce? Love to hear your tracks. .................. Meanwhile maybe you could post an example of your work? Please nothing older than 12 months though. Wanna hear "modern"

Sound like a good idea, would like to listen to one of your track @WhatsTheStory before I have better idea about your production skills -> and on the last note, please establish your reputation first before you will try to judge another people/producers over here, I don't mind your personal opinion but try not to make such a big deal out of it, only my $0.02.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Compression can do a lot of things like: Add groove add dynamics/subtract dynamics shape transients glue together a bus or master bus add color reshape a timbre add bounce to a hit

So are these some areas you think I should work toward? Honestly, the last track you posted kind of had the intensity I was trying to strive for with this track but I don't think I nailed it as well as you did. If you think the mix is lacking, I'd really like to know.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Do you even produce? Love to hear your tracks. AT the end of the day the guy could use tired old thump kick like the old hard trance days (that have bled into much of trance now; Discover Records, etc.) But he has gone for if anything a more modern sound by looking back to retro vibe in his percussion, it's very cool. The ideas are solid and there. This track reminds me of a James Holden type sketch. True he has not pulled it off flawlessly, hence why he has asked for feedback. His trippy melody is really hypnotic and whilst it repeats for nearly 11 minutes I think that's the sorta vibe again border community style trippy shit. It's very cool ideas and I'd commend this over the thousands of tired epic super saw trance any day. This guy has done more than download massive or nexus loaded up a patch and a dragged in a loop pack. The ideas are there the execution is lacking, but that's no bad thing. Every master must learn his craft. Meanwhile maybe you could post an example of your work? Please nothing older than 12 months though. Wanna hear "modern"

This guy does seem like a pro who might want to maintain his anonymity. I'm thinking someone on a Looney4Clooney level of competence but more dedicated to making really solid trance than Clooney is. I'd shudder to think that I was taking someone who produced utter crap, too seriously, but there are kernels of truth to what he's saying that some of the pros I've had interactions with seem to understand. Thanks for the feedback, too.

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Originally posted by TranceLover007 Sound like a good idea, would like to listen to one of your track @WhatsTheStory before I have better idea about your production skills -> and on the last note, please establish your reputation first before you will try to judge another people/producers over here, I don't mind your personal opinion but try not to make such a big deal out of it, only my $0.02. Have a good one. Darek

Thanks, man.

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Last edited by EddieZilker on Sep-03-2012 at 20:31

I honestly enjoy this still, so regardless of perhaps not having what we might frame as up to date drums, it all just works for me as a coherent, flowing, trascendant experience that envelops. It doesn't push technical envelopes but it doesn't need to imo, it just works as is. I can feel a good dose of soul here, such a refreshing change from all the cookie cutter sh1t I hear on beatport and such.

It's like a classic chicago hotdog, it doesn't need anything.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker So are these some areas you think I should work toward? Honestly, the last track you posted kind of had the intensity I was trying to strive for

A compressor(the glue), exciter(ozone), limiter(pro-l) on the master works wonders.

The stuff you're making, isn't trance. I don't know what it is, but it isn't trance.

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux A compressor(the glue), exciter(ozone), limiter(pro-l) on the master works wonders. The stuff you're making, isn't trance. I don't know what it is, but it isn't trance.

So, basically, I need to compress, excite, and then limit the master to make trance. Thanks, man.

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Originally posted by Richard Butler I honestly enjoy this still, so regardless of perhaps not having what we might frame as up to date drums, it all just works for me as a coherent, flowing, trascendant experience that envelops. It doesn't push technical envelopes but it doesn't need to imo, it just works as is. I can feel a good dose of soul here, such a refreshing change from all the cookie cutter sh1t I hear on beatport and such. It's like a classic chicago hotdog, it doesn't need anything.

Thank you, very much, Richard.

I've indulged in a little bit of subterfuge, considering the most vocal critic in this thread, and pretty much knew he was full of absolute shit from his first post. It's also quite telling that he's stopped posting. By a ratio of 27:1, his total word count at Trance Addict largely consists of contrived criticism about the salient features of the track and invective directed at me.

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Last edited by EddieZilker on Sep-07-2012 at 15:11

I've been listening to this and the previous track with the female vocal a lot in the past few days, trying to come up with some useful feedback. As you're a sympathetic guy and like a lot of others I would very much like to help you improve your sound even though it's difficult without being able to go into the technical side of things.

Now, I was left guessing what the design philosophy behind your style is. So forgive me if I'm entirely wrong. But on the other hand I listen to extensive amounts of genre-less music so you can't occuse me of thinking music has to made a certain way. Yet your music still sounds wrong somehow, and I think the main culprit is the percussion. Because I can hear the entire track developing and getting more and more intense, but the percussion just seems to lack behind.
Maybe it's just a matter of mastering it a bit better, making it a bit more clear and distinctive. But if that's not what you're after you might want to consider going for something completely different instead. Breakbeat music usually centrers itself around the percussion, similar to what real percussion is like.

For an exemple, your music reminded me a lot of Froyd. Who seems to chase a very similar production aesthetic, with gradually intensifying sound collages with loads of small elements and textures chaotically floating around, even drowning away in the sound barrage. De kick usage is very similar too, although obviously the tone is a lot different. I think the main difference is that he uses a more techy percussion structure which gives the music a lot more room to room to breathe, and isn't as contrasting.



I'm not saying you should make it sound like that, obviously. But it might give you an example if you're looking for a different approach.

In short: What I'm missing is intensity, and something to hold on to. Something that's distinctive and memorable. I shouldn't be left guessing as to what you're trying to bring over.

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Originally posted by Bierheld ...

Thank you, very much, for this.

Right off I'm making some connections I think I was missing, earlier, to Excess's feedback concerning the track. My primary takeaway is that it might be helpful to keep the melodic content on my next track fairly minimal and lean my focus more heavily on percussion. In trying to take the criticisms of this track seriously, I'm explaining my process, below. If anything, it might be a useful reference point so I can better understand the balance I'm missing between experimentation and more traditional methods.

A lot of the decisions I made, during this track, have to do with a technique I'm using (or, it could be argued, experimenting with) which utilizes several small sections cut from a previously contiguous phrase.


The phrase I took it from starts at 35:27 in the album, /Superstition and this is actually the third song I've used the samples/technique in.


I had about 10 or so different slices loaded into a sampler, a few of which were assigned to a band-pass filter and a few of which were assigned to a low-pass filter. Each filter position was controlled by both velocity and the master filter control on the sampler (Reason 6.5's NN-XT) I was using so I could still maintain control over the position, on the high-pass, while I was closing down the low-pass, or vice versa - modify the position on the band-pass without opening or closing the low-pass, concurrently.

The outputs (of the samples assigned to band-pass and low-pass) were then run through a mixer which I'd set up to route between reverb and delay.


This shows the velocity adjustments for one of four lanes of notes used to trigger samples. Rotary 1 controls how much of the effect is reverb or delay. Rotary 2 controls positions on filters.

The samples I used had percussion in them, already. The band-pass is allowing specific instrument frequencies over to the effect mixer. I had pretty much organized all of the samples with the effect chain I wanted before proceeding to the rhythm section. I was reluctant to add to what was already there simply because I felt there was already a lot going on. My intent was to develop from subtle spaces, more intense sections that grew from minimal origins and, while I had some inklings that I should develop a more robust/refined rhythm section, I didn't have a grasp for how to accomplish that without spoiling what was already in place. I was also unsure what percussive sounds would necessarily fit in; let alone how to execute that.

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Last edited by EddieZilker on Sep-07-2012 at 22:06

It sounds cool man, the only big critique I have is the production sounds a little dated. No mix holes or things like that. Maybe that's the old school vibe you were going for.

edit: I noticed you're using Reason. that's a great DAW to get that sound from, since everything is modeled after analogue, but the atmosphere you were going for I understand too. it does seem like your sound selection for the percussion could have something to do with the dated feel, but like I mentioned, that's probably what you were going for. this would hold up played very loud on a PA I'm guessing, in which case it would immerse the listener quite a bit.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker So, basically, I need to compress, excite, and then limit the master to make trance. Thanks, man.

Hahahaha

The funny part is that you think I'm bullshitting you.

Do you honestly listen to it? If you were just dabbling i could understand but this just isn't trance...

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Originally posted by dj_alfi change your avatar for fucks sake.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Hahahaha The funny part is that you think I'm bullshitting you. Do you honestly listen to it? If you were just dabbling i could understand but this just isn't trance...

No! I don't think you're bullshitting me, at all. How you could think that - that I think you're bullshitting me... Well, I really can't say I understand. I'm sorry. Whatever I've done to deserve that, I'm truly, truly sorry. I know we've had words and that I've been unkind but I've seen the error of my ways. I'm a reformed man. I know that you're not someone to be trifled with and that your pronouncements are genuinely held in the highest of regards, not just on Trance Addict, but even by the larger Trance and EDM community. If you say it's not trance then I'll remove the designation from the title of the thread just as soon as I figure out how to edit my posts.



EDIT: Oh, and thank you very much, Evolve!

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Last edited by EddieZilker on Sep-08-2012 at 03:37

this sounds like the precursor to what became prog trance sometime during the midlate 90's. While I don't mind the lack of a breakdown, you could easily have done some eq automation on the lows of the kick sometime during the breakdown. oh and reverb automation.
that and add some fx and stuff during the transitions to make them more apparent, right now it's kinda "dumdidumdidumdidumdiaaand there's a different part". the kick/bass is also a tad muddy in places,
most noticably when the kick do their small little spastic tweeks.

also; death to srussell