Fuck CD tables, fuck em in the ear. They will be the downfall of it all. Its just not the same with cds, with vinyl, you ACTUALLY touch the music. Everything is Digital these day, BAH!!

Edit: oh yeah and i will be the first one to tell you that if you do use CD's your not a DJ, your just a fucking button pusher.

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Originally posted by DJErnieP oh yeah and i will be the first one to tell you that if you do use CD's your not a DJ, your just a fucking button pusher.

lol, a LOT of people will dissagree with u there, every1 says that no skill is required if you're a cdj.. when actually it's more a case of the opposite..

as somebody else mentioned you dont actually have phyisical contact with the tune (unless u're a rich **** and get cdj1000's) fair enuff, everything is more accurate if you're a cdj (cue times are better, but the difference is negligable) .. so why exactly is being a cdj cheating; the same amount of skill, if not more is required?

just because it's unconventional doesnt mean it should be slated

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its not the same, its not what its about. A DJ controls a crowds emotions through his/her music. Its just not the same if your pressing buttons, yeah your still beatmatching, but its just wrong. With vinyl, you touch the music itself, theres no digital input. with CDs theres no emotion. Plus cds give you a chance to screw people over for their music, its not that hard to go and find a track online and burn it, spin it, and now your a DJ? fuck that. you wanna be a DJ, contribute, go out and buy plastic for 10.00 dollars a record. Thats what its about, fucking button pushers.

Edit: hey but i love you all

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there is NO skill in spinning cds. . . .well, it does take skill, but its really easy to learn. i spent 15 minutes facking around on one and was bored after that. Although I would highly recommend it to any person thats not quite ready for tables and vinyls.
CDs can help you learn all about cues, phrase mixing, and beat matching with your whole digital music collection which is great.
I like spinning on records because i like to be able to see where I am at in the song. When the cd display says, 4:58 left, that means shit to me. If youre spinning a song that youre unfamiliar with, its useless. I like to see the little dark and light colored bars on the record so i can see exactly what is going to happen next in the song.

bottom line is the cdjs are good for trance music because its not like you can scratch to trance, just mix. If you wanna get into scratching with cds, youll look like an ass.

For me, its a pride thing. All it takes is for one person to criticize me for spinning on cds and ill be embarrassed. If you can get past that, more power to you and good luck.

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Originally posted by DJ-Kuza So stealing from an artst to earn a living for yourself is promoting music? You need to re-think you stance on this you fucking theif.

we were getting off topic. Thought I'd remind everyone about this here logic.

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Originally posted by DJ-Kuza So stealing from an artst to earn a living for yourself is promoting music? You need to re-think you stance on this you fucking theif.

For the record, I have over 400 CD singles, so I think I've made my fair contribution to the commercial music industry. I agree with your view about making a living out of DJing and burning commercial music. If you are a professional DJ, then it is terrible for you to burn music. But how many of us are actually making a living out of DJing? For most of us, it is a part time thing. I, for exampe might do a 21st once a month. Now at the rate pop music comes out, I would have to buy at least 20 new CD singles a month. Now, I normally charge AU$350-400 for a gig. CD singles are $10 each. So, I'm spending $200 a month on CD singles (if I were to buy pop music). I have to spend $50 hiring the speakers. That leaves me with $100 for a 5 hour gig. (plus the setup time, time to hire speakers etc) You get more money working in a cafe. See my point?

I spend my money buying music which I THINK SHOULD BE PROMOTED, ie trance (vinyls). I don't spend money on buying songs which people just request which I think are crap (ie pop). I don't want to promote these songs, I just play them cause people want me to play them. If I was a pro, the story would be a completely different matter. But I'm not, so I feel fully justified in my stance.

Hopefully that clarifies a few things. Just my $0.02

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Originally posted by DJ Dowlz I don't spend money on buying songs which people just request which I think are crap (ie pop). I don't want to promote these songs, I just play them cause people want me to play them.

I dont understand what youre saying here. You said that you buy trance songs because youre all about promoting it. Then you said that you dont spend money on songs that people ask you to play that you dont like but you play it anyway. So if you dont buy these songs, you download it and burn it on cd?

Ive downloaded music before but one should never go out in public and play pirated music to the public no matter how many cd singles youve bought and how shitty you get paid for your gigs. Youre just asking for trouble.

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Okay, sorry I wasn't clear.

I do two types of DJing, the 1st is parties. At these parties, I play pop, because that's what people want. I generally hate pop music. Thus I don't feel as though I should have to pay money to promote (play) crappy music, especially since if I did, I would hardly be making any money out of it at all. Also, another point is that all the chicks who hear this crappy music will think "that's a great song" and go buy it. Thus the artist still gets money.

On the other hand, I also DJ at gigs where the music is generally trance. I buy all of my trance songs, because I feel as though I owe something to the artists who produce this fantastic music. I don't mind paying money to promote songs that are awesome. Also, when you buy a trance CD/vinyl the quality is (slightly) higher, which is also an important consideration.

Hopefully that clarifies my stance. I only burn pop cause I hate the music. I buy all of my trance cause I love it.

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Originally posted by DJ Dowlz I only burn pop cause I hate the music.

Isn't that illegal? I hope you dont get caught.

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Originally posted by Busy Child Isn't that illegal? I hope you dont get caught.

I guess you could say it's not illegal to play burnt CDs, it's only illegal if you get caught. And realistically, the chances of that ocurring (in Australia) are next to none. Most of the places I've played at say most of their DJs have at least some burnt music and basically they don't mind them having burnt music as long as the sound quality is fine.

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Well I think you should stop rationalising(sp?) it so that you dont' feel guilty. And at the least, stop giving bad advice to people just starting out. If they get busted it's your fault.

I don't know quite why I'm replying to these bullshit posts, but the fact that some people are so intolerant made me mad. How can you honestly say that djing on cds isn't "real djing" and has "no emotion". If you think that, then you don't understand what djing is really about.

Beatmatching, whether through releasing vinyl or pressing play still involves the same training of the ear and skills to get the tracks exactly beatmatched. I don't care how fast you got "bored" with a cd-deck, you're also suposedly an experienced dj and so of course you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly--it's to be expected. If you had no experience before "facking around for 15 minutes" then you wouldn't be able to spin worth shit, and don't tell me just because you can press a button that it makes you a dj. Pressing a button doesn't infuse you with the knowledge of beat/phrasematching or even make it much easier; it doesn't inspire you to play the tracks that you do, and it doesn't teach you how to read a crowd, and it doesn't give you the inate knoweldege that djs have on which tracks to play and in which order.

I ask you this. Is not being a trance dj all about spreading trance tracks that you spin to those who haven't heard those tracks? Can the crowd tell if you are spinning cds versus vinyl if they can't see you? Sure you might think that spinning vinyl makes you "cooler looking" and you know what, I agree. I think that there is a much more hands on feeling with vinyl--because you actually DO touch the vinyl, but just because I choose to spin cds, doesn't make me any less of a dj!

Imagine in the future, when everything is digital except you. All the djs will have the original quality sound recording, while your tracks sound like shit because you've played them so much (so either you have to buy the vinyl over and over again, or just once like me and when my cd gets trashed, I just burn another copy from the original record that I bought and recorded into digital format via my turntable). A perfect example of this is track 5 of cd 2 of Paul Oakenfold's Planet Perfecto - Another World. I listened to this track in headphones and thought my ears went to shit because the quality of the track is so damn poor! Not only that, but while you are busy beatmatching, the mixer will do the beatmatching for me so I can focus on real-time effects or brining in a third or even fourth track to make the mix all the more complicated.

Face it, you can't be so close-minded that you can't adapt to the upcoming technology. I work in a pharmaceutical company and most of the older people don't want to learn any more about computers than they absolutely have to, but that doesn't change the fact that in a few years, we won't even be writing our experiments on paper anymore because it will all be online--the notebook, the scales, the instruments and the analytical equipment will all link onto the computer. It is the same damn thing with djing. You have to be able to adapt to stay with the times. Records were invented by Thomas Edison in 1877 and are 125 years old. We are in the begining of the 21st century, 125 years later there is MUCH better technology and I suggest you learn how to use it or you will be a dj of the past.